Why do people join green chip?

John May:

You hit the nail on its head. I think its a very important point:

"Essentially what SW has done is sell people their own information"

I don't think it can be said any better. Gambling publications are one thing but forums are another. People aren't getting compensated for joining green chip. Pi Yee Press is the beneficiary. For example, DD' is paying his own money to answer the questions by others. That just doesn't sound right. If money is to be payed, it should be to the one who is helping others by taking the time and being kinda enough to share what they know. I feel greater equality would result if discussion took place on open forums.

Ok, my subject title may be confusing and misleading. Yes, I agree green chip may be a community but to me, that is like paying to have friends. Friends and lovers (hence the subject title) are priceless and can't be bought. I don't see how community can be any greater on green chip than that of other free blackjack forums and I'm sure it doesn't take green chip to meet other people. Must we PAY to join a community??

Jeffrey

How dare you accuse me of being an advertiser for another blackjack site. What I'm promoting is discussion on open boards without the hassle of club initiation for a private group. If people join green chip as a result of my posts, that is their choice. Practically speaking, I can't persuade green chippers to all flock to another location. But if you want to join a private club, which gains nothing by paying, that is entirely up to you.

Stanford Wong offers a money back guarantee, why not join Green Chip, after joining if you are unable comprehend the sites value to serious advantage players then ask for your money back.

For example, DD' is paying his own money to answer the questions by others.

DD' gets a comped membership to green and black chip. It's the only reason he posts on the free pages.

Green chip is only $49 a year.

The sports pages have died since Wong hired on the best posters at SSB.

pay BJ21.com would not exist. It costs real money to host a website of this size. BJ21 employs several persons and they deserve to get reimbursed for their valuable service. Why do people buy Time Magazine when they can just listen to the Radio for free? Because Time provides more complete and different information.

I am also a member of several underground websites that are free. Information is power in this business.

bullshit we have to put up with on these free pages. Then for even more "weeding out" you can pay still more for a membership to black chip.

Suppose a group of friends with similar interests get together every Tuesday night in a private banquet room to have drinks and dinner and socialize. They pay a fee for the banquet room.

For their fee they get a comfortable place to socialize, a bit of privacy, and a few amenities, such as drinks and dinner. The banquet room host also provides security, ensuring that only the members are admitted to the room, and in the unlikely event anyone causes trouble, they are ejected.

The friends are not paying to see each other, they are paying for the facilities.

Green Chip is our virtual banquet room.

If you can't understand that . . .

John May:

You hit the nail on its head. I think its a very important point:

"Essentially what SW has done is sell people their own information"

I don't think it can be said any better. Gambling publications are one thing but forums are another. People aren't getting compensated for joining green chip. Pi Yee Press is the beneficiary. For example, DD' is paying his own money to answer the questions by others. That just doesn't sound right. If money is to be payed, it should be to the one who is helping others by taking the time and being kinda enough to share what they know. I feel greater equality would result if discussion took place on open forums.

How about open your own GC free for all? I'll help you get some Government fundings. (I had run some government-funded programs previously.) Meanwhile, Wong needs to charge a fee to run GC. Fair enough? Good Luck.

than bracing folks for their willy-nilly decision to pay $49 per yr to escape this kind of thread. You sound like an energetic and sincere sort. Perhaps you would better serve humanity if you directed your ambition towards something really important. The decision over spending the $49 bucks is not the global issue you are trying to make it. Most, I would venture, do not share your pecuniary angst. Some, like bp (see his response, with which I concur) gladly pay the $49 to enjoy a higher level of discussion.

Here's a deal for you. You start a free BJ page, and after it is popping for a month or so, come back here and tell us where it is and perhaps some of us will give it a look. But if this off-topic thread you are so desperately trying to keep alive is indicative of what we may find over on The Totally Free Blackjack Page, perhaps you should pack a deck of cards to keep you company.

In short, not only have you made your point, it is one which has been made many times before. Perhaps you could just give it a rest. :-)

be happy in your work,
adhoc

Second only to, Why do they eat it a second time?

cheers,
adhoc

There are over a thousand green chip members. Do you REALLY think people have been weeded out? Information on green chip is no more safe than the free pages.

Second, you seem to believe that it takes a pay site to eliminate the b*l%s@i%. There are free forums out there that are moderated and are clean of b%6ls%^&

So I guess the only reason to join green chip is for a moderator. Seems like a good reason to me...

"But if you want to join a private club, which gains nothing by paying"

False.

These thinly-veiled attempts to damage the #1 blackjack destination on the web are always amusing.

Next troll, step right up.

There are very good points in this thread which have been made by you (ad hoc), EL Burro, and Parker.

For Puzzled, you don't have to join Green Chip. Nobody is holding a gun to your head, insisting that join. If you want to save the money, suit yourself.

FWIW, I almost never put up top-level threads on the Free Pages. It simply isn't worth the effort to compose a good post to leave it up on this board.

Many of the other top posters put their best posts on Green Chip as well.

If you don't want to read them, you don't have to. It is still a free country!

These thinly-veiled attempts to damage the #1 blackjack destination on the web are always amusing.

The only person damaging GC is...you, with an over-the-top defensive reaction which is likely to create suspicions amongst the impartial and perpetuate this thread further by provoking a response in kind from puzzled. Puzzled asked some questions and got some answers. Now its settled.

i was debating whether or not to shell out the twelve bucks and join green chip...after hearing this useless argument, i've made my decision. i'm about to join, if for no other reason than to participate in an actual discussion about advantage blackjack. Ever heard of it?

peace

Although I don't belong to Green Chip, I know many who do. It is a higher quality forum. The fact that it is not free helps keep out troublemakers and the less knowledgable. Anyone who is a problem gets kicked out. Many people who post and share info there do not post, or rarely post on the free sites. Reasons for that vary, I suppose, but many simply do not want to share certain info with the "masses". If green chip were to be made free, there is no doubt that the quality would drop rapidly. It would be overrun by inane, pointless discussions, and too many people who are long on opinion and short on knowledge. Name calling and personal attacks would also be a problem, just like most of the current free sites. A green chipper can post a comment or opinion without obnoxious responses from some unqualified bozo. A Green Chipper doesn't have to put up with posts regarding "remote viewing" and such nonsense. Oops, I feel an attack coming on! I better quit. :-)