I agree with you somewhat about "The chatty nature of the weekend warrior camp serves only to dimish the opportunities of the professionals to earn a living." Some good games have been killed from public discussion, but most of the time the claims are overstated. I have checked out some of the games touted in posts and have always been disapointed. Most of this kind of news comes from "nickel counter" rookies who don't have access to good information like CBJN or Trackjack and see a half decent game and proclaim that ABC Casino is a candy store with no heat and 99% penetration. These chatty weekend warriors do no permanent damage- just don't believe everything you read.
On the topic of outings, I think the registration process could help prevent that, if only to act as a small deterrent. BJ21.com and the postbusters should do all they can to protect the identity of posters, even the jerks working for casinos.
As best I can tell, most of these outings were the work of traitorous friends or team members who had personal relationships with the exposed.
If you have a secret you want to keep, keep it a secret.
You are the man! What these people fail to point out and that you clearly recognize is that SW clearly has a legal right to do what he pleases. It's not about legal or illegal, it's about right or wrong. When Wong or ones of his company goons buts a post because it is critical of the way this site is run, it's the same in spirit as a company getting rid of it's employees when they talk about unionizing. I would have thought Bootlegger would recognize this.
There is a world of difference between what goes on here and what happens when an employer fires employees for talking about organizing a union. Wong's page is his property and he has no hold on anyone who posts here. He cannot threaten their livelihood and the welfare of their families. Discussing union in the break room at Walmart, which will get you fired in a heartbeat, is a universe away from whatever can happen here.
I think my analogies about printers, farmers and the Klan are much more apt and to the point.
Note that I said "in spirit". In practice, sure it's worse what Wal-Mart does. So let's try another analogy. When Wong or the PB's bust a post that is critical of what goes on here, or criticial of one of his friends (like the satirical post I made about Ruchman and Schlesinger the other day that got busted on the newbie page) it is like a newspaper refusing to run letters to the editor that are critical of the paper. This is a valid analogy. CBJN is a newspaper and a site like this is essentially one big "letters to the editor" page.
Actually, the postbusting Anonymouse described was solved with a phone call to the appropriate people. [While you're busy making war on this board it's tough to ask for "comps" from its managers.:) ] Call a friend with good connections and make a pitch. You might be surprised.
My biggest problem is in some little piddly post that accidentally ids a pro player or a terrific game. The poster may not even realize it. Now I've got to call a postbuster or board manager and explain why the post is a problem. Almost always I've gotten the response I wanted or at least some consideration. I do try to keep relationships warm with key people so that I can eliminate sensitive posts.
I find the postbusting guidelines used here somewhat misguided. Outing people and 4-letter words seem to be the postbuster's only concern. What's underemphasized are posts that threaten a person's income: id'ing individual dealers as cheaters when the poster has zero expertise in this area, killing games because the poster himself can't play there--remember the Chumash shuffle?--, id'ing pro players at a particular time and casino, bragging about a particular casino's ridiculous comps, explicitly instructing others on how to beat a game. I don't care if I'm the one making the nickel here, there's a good chance some other guy's camped out there making a little money. Outing players, while somewhat harmful, will really not hurt a pro too much in the end.
Almost always I've gotten the response I wanted or at least some consideration. I do try to keep relationships warm with key people so that I can eliminate sensitive posts.
Almost always, eh?
That's all well and good but it wouldn't be necessary in the first place if bj21 didn't even exist. Fortunately, with the way things are going these days, and especially if this place goes the way of rge and becomes moderated with handle registration, then this may soon be the case.
Outing players, while somewhat harmful, will really not hurt a pro too much in the end.
It's easy to think that way until it happens to you. Maybe it has, maybe it hasn't, but it certainly has happened to me, albeit in an indirect fashion, though I'd rather not discuss the details.
But this place can't last forever. Someday it will crumble and a lot of advantage players will be glad to see it go.
don rampaging and imagining that every poster that disagrees with him is me, in one thread about a month ago. Gee I will take a lot of garbage in exchange for not having to pass everything through a filter run by someone who might be cracking up.
Contrary to rumor I am far from dead too. About as dead as Paul McCartney was in 1970!
You are an excelant choice. Then there was whining for my handle to be an automatic bust, for daring to object to a mental meltdown where --you would have to read the original posts to believe them--not just one but several posters were accussed of being me for daring to oppose ______.
Lost in the smoke was my point that side counting aces for betting would always mean that errors in extimating how many decks were left, counted double, as the number of 1/4 decks played is used as a running count versus the number of aces played.
Frankly you are about the only one who will be able to keep things under control, IMHO, in regard to my latest post on rge21.com, cautioning not to lump several effects together and call them: "the floating advantage."
Make sure all proxsimity radar dectection devices, other motion detectors, and smoke and chemical hazzard detection systems you may have, have fresh batteries as you view the various responses.