Posting requirements?

This is a private enterprise and Wong's own right to free speech is affected here. It is his forum.

Suppose you owned a printing firm and the KKK came to your firm and wanted you to print up a bunch of racist leaflets for them. Do you think you should have the right to refuse such business if you didn't want to help send out that kind of message?

Now the KKK has the right to spew its filth, but no private enterprise has to help them do it. The same principle applies here.

public life?

You are indeed on a slippery slope, and I think you know it, Boot.

I will fight for what is right, laying down my very life if called for.

I think you know that from our past dealings.

All true Americans will stand with me in this battle for our most basic of rights, Freedom...Of....Speech, and expression.

Joe.

Could you give some examples of this? I don't read every post on every board, but I've been coming here for quite some time and I can't recall any specific instances of this. Perhaps you could give some specifics.

Posting an example of a post which outs a professional is no better than creating a post which outs a professional, is it? But, as it happens, the example Shilly cited is accurate. In that instance, a player was outed and the posts requesting that the original post be busted were busted. It wasn't until the great John May requested to have the original post busted that it was finally taken down.

But this is not some isolated incident. Things like this happen with regularity here. The chatty nature of the weekend warrior camp serves only to dimish the opportunities of the professionals to earn a living. Is it any wonder there is an element of bitterness and resentment here? Is it any wonder there are those (myself included) who wish to see this site eliminated and go to great lengths to undermine it at every turn (myself not included thus far...I'm a nice guy, really).

Fortunately, the problem is not one of staggering proportions but is mostly just an annoyance. The vast majority of participants here are quite clueless and, generally speaking, pose as little a threat to the lives of the professionals as a nickel counter does to the Venetian. But, on those occasions when useful, lucrative and relatively unknown information is leaked to the general bj21 populace and when actual players are unwittingly outed by the indiscreet or foolhardy, real problems can arise which threaten our earning potential. So, ultimately, it would be better for me and many others like me if this site did not exist.

This is not just a free page problem either. This extends into Green and Black chip areas (and beyond). To my knowledge, NOTHING is done to detur Griffin types and casino personnel from reading those areas and the false sense of security engendered by the notion that, somehow, coughing up an annual fee makes those areas more secure causes even more problems. Posters who would shy away from posting what they consider to be great revelations on the free pages turn instead to those forums and share their information (which is invariably leaked to the likes of me who are not members of said pages) for all the casino world to see.

Professional blackjack is not just a game to those of us who rely on it for our income. It is a way of life. But, unfortunately, the recreationalists on this site just can't seem to get their heads around that when they're blabbering on about what they think they know. Such is the downside of free expression but you can be damn sure that I will excersise my own freedom of expression and continue to support, in my own passive way, the demise of places such as bj21.com.

There is no eagerness to deny anyone the right to free speech on my part. This is a private page, not a public one. Its owner has the right to run it as he pleases. The free speech that is protected is that of the person who owns this page.

Perhaps you think you have a right to come onto someone else's property and behave as you please without the owner having any right to stop such behavior or put you off of his property. I happen to think you don't.

If you were the printer, would you print the KKK material? Do you think that you would be violating the Klan's right to free speech if you refused?

What if you were a farmer and you found the Klan burning a cross in one of your fields one night? Would you be violating their right to free speech if you called the police and had them arrested?

Either this is some great satire, or you are so far beyond hopeless it's laughable. Reread Bootlegger's post a few more times, take it slow and s-ou-nd the big words out.

If you are prepared to "lay down your life" against what you apparently think is the Evil of Private Ownership, be my guest. The rest of us will enjoy our freedom to ignore your cliched ramblings.

chem nerd

but the owner kept firing those who mentioned "Union".

Do you think that would be permisable? After all the owner owns the property.

As I said earlier, put me in the "Freedom Column", with the other true Patriots.

Joe.

What if I wanted to speak of Union matters on company property but the owner kept firing those who mentioned "Union".

Do you think that would be permisable? After all the owner owns the property.

If I was the owner? Hell yes, especially after seeing first hand the destruction and chaos certain organized unions are capable of.

chem nerd

I despise Negroes, and Jews, I refuse to give them accommodations! My right of private ownership? According to you...Yes! In that case you better not be Negro or Jew, or you just may change you narrow, and unAmerican feelings.

The Patriot,
Joe.

Owners can and do fire workers who discuss unions on their property and it happens quite frequently. By statute, workers do have the right to talk about unions during their breaks, lunch hours and before and after work. It is not a constitutional right. Your constitutional rights pretty much stop when you hit the time clock...which is one reason why workers need unions to protect them, because the constitution does not.

I thought you might have you ear to the ground on these matters.

Do you have any insight into the recent incident in Vegas of employees talking about Unions in the employee cafeteria and getting roughed up by some company 'security' guards?

I know that some employees were roughed up by guards at Circus Circus, but that's the extent of my knowledge. It is not an unusual tactic for employers.

If they are willing to rough up their own employees, it makes you wonder what they would be willing to do to card counters, doesn't it?

...but all the discussion on that board seemed to be about the security of that (and other) boards!

AWS

access to Black or secure page through friends or whatever.
Most of us have for curiosity sake.
Take BC, for example, finally a post with at least some small value, but more than usual. Then a BC member purposely posts false info on this promo to dupe members into not showing. (Palace promo, good job fish)

Then you have the secure page, basically the same recreational counters. You know, the "important" GC members, talking about Billy Bob at X casino gives 69% pen, and Spanky Joe doesn't call out "black action". Whoopdeedoo.

Now that it's all over, what was the false info on the Palace promo? That it was one table only?

I wouldn't have gone either way, but I wonder if someone crossed a line.

that it was one table, $25 max, etc.

Where do you think he got that false info from?
I'll tell you where. Black Chip.

I was there also, so I know the truth.
But then again, I know alot (worth alot more than a damn 2-1 promo), but I won't be sharing it here, GC BC or secure page that's for sure.

and he said he called the casino and they told him that. So it wasn't Stanford starting the false info (if it actually was false info).

I would have gone if it weren't for other commitments.