Post of the Month wins $100 for Adhoc

The winner for July 2002 is Adhoc, an attorney. His post starts out: "Recently, a question arose as to what crime, if any, is being committed by a casino employee when they unlawfully detain an advantage player, and what can be done about it if the player is so inclined." He answers with an explanation of "the Nevada statutes on the subject of false imprisonment and your ability to make a citizen�s arrest, along with the responsibility of the police to take the perp into custody." If you are tired of being on the defensive in your interactions with casino security, you will enjoy Adhoc's prize-winning post:

Arrest them for false arrest � adhoc � 6 July 02, 10:11 a.m. on BJ Green.

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Stanford Wong

But the tail still wags the dog.

Let us know when this absurd idea actually works.

... who inhabit the free pages and play so often could put this idea into action and report back to us on the outcome.

on Fantasy Island. Obviously this idea comes from someone who spends more time in the law library and very little time in casinos. I hope some naive counter actually tries this next time he's backroomed - I'm sure Metro and security will get a good laugh out of it.

That way you can write about it in your upcoming book. "Real Pros" know better.

Friends,

It has come to the attention of the LVHCM that the poster "Bootlegger" continues to harbor a bizarre jealousy towards those who make their living playing the game. Is this because his own lack of knowledge might hurt his upcoming book sales? Let's take a look, shall we?

In a prior post, "Bootlegger" states:

Like a bunch of precocious nine-year olds ...

... who just found out where babies come from, they think they have the secret to life and they

are the only ones who know it. They are just itching to show off their knowledge, but they are

not quite sure how to do it without looking stupid, so they content themselves with making fun

of others who they believe aren't in possession of their "secret." One would hope that with age

and experience they will eventually discover that they are not as unique as they seem to believe

they are and that they have spent a great deal of time making fools out of themselves, but one

doubts it.

What are these great "secrets" "Bootlegger" constantly speaks of? Holecarding? Steering? Ace location? Next card information? As any pro knows, these methods have been around for years, and have been mentioned in literature for at least 20 years. Might I point out to this great bastion of advantage play knowledge that knowing about these techniques is one thing, implementing them quite another.

The poster "Bootlegger" goes on to state that his idol Stanford Wong has been "using these techniques for years". However, in an interview with Robert V. Lux, Wong answers a question put to him by the interviewer thusly:

7) You are considered one of the greatest blackjack players on earth. I presume you have read most of the valuable books on blackjack, available on today�s market. You probably have reached a top level of your play. Do you believe you�ve attain a level, a climax, or do you suppose you, yet, may improve your game and bring it to an even higher level?

�I probably was a top-level player at one time, but I have not kept my playing skills up to date. I do not, for example, know how to shuffle track or locate aces. I could bring my game to a higher level if I wanted to, but I�d rather devote my time to managing my business and my websites, and to creating new material.

Perhaps the reader gets a more profound view of the "Bootlegger" pedigree as he himself answers a question put to him over at rec.gambling.blackjack

Message 5 in thread
From: Bootlegger (rmt@frognet.net)
Subject: Re: amazed? at red chippers
Newsgroups: rec.gambling.blackjack.moderated
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Date: 1998/01/09

Leigh,

There's the difference. To me, being barred means the whole nine yards,
including trespassed. However, I do know one fellow (so help me) who
spreads big and gets away with it on a regular basis. I have witnessed
his act and it is very very good. I have personally watched him spread
from $10 to $200 at a single deck table at a downtown club in Las Vegas
and the pit was all over him, in a very positive way, catering to his
every desire. He has been getting away with this act for years. I
couldn't reproduce it if I tried for a thousand years.

As for me, I'm just a lowly red chipper. The biggest bet you would
normally see me make is 2X$60. If they ever get around to barring me,
God help us. Then your predictions would have come true. The gravy days
of blackjack will be over.

Bootlegger

Ah, now I get it, it's obvious with his fountain of knowledge, along with his massive betting level, this "lowly red chipper" should be lecturing pros on how to play.

and has much knowledge about blackjack.

Regardless of what he bets,at least he bets. Thats more than I can say for others who have secrets they very seldom use.

Bottom line(excuse me John May and others) card counting is the BEST format of advantage play. The other little secrets are just a plause that might be used in unusal conditions and situations, but I believe counting remains the powerhouse of all the above.

I'm unable to see how anything you've written here in any way communicates the preposterous idea that Bootlegger harbors any jealousy toward professional players.

Bootlegger has always been one of the most helpful and level-headed regulars on this site. It would be entirely within his nature to compile what he has learned here and elsewhere into a book. When the book is published, we'll be able to judge his effort and his motives better through his written word.

Unitl then, you are the one who reeks of jealousy. Be gone with you. Feel free to return when you have something to contribute.

...is getting to everyone's head.

Bootlegger has always been one of the most helpful and level-headed regulars on this site. It would be entirely within his nature to compile what he has learned here and elsewhere into a book. When the book is published, we'll be able to judge his effort and his motives better through his written word.

Helpful with what exactly? Shilling books and software? Perpetuating the myth that with KO and 3 indices you're on your way to glory? Do you honestly not realize that a site such as this produces more losing players than winners? And now convienently comes the for-profit SOS book?

Unitl (sic) then, you are the one who reeks of jealousy. Be gone with you. Feel free to return when you have something to contribute

Sorry Crusty, we will continue to here to expose the frauds and conmen.

But I noticed you haven't provided any answers.

You have a lot of anger. And in this case, it's remarkably misplaced.

"Sorry Crusty, we will continue to here[sic] to expose the frauds and conmen.

Your inability to detect typos is exceeded by your inability to detect con men. I'm still looking for any evidence you may offer that Bootlegger is jealous of professional players. I don't expect you to offer any.

But I noticed you haven't provided any answers

All the answers anyone needs are in the original post. It surprises us not that a sychophant such as yourself cannot see them.

You have a lot of anger. And in this case, it's remarkably misplaced.

Why is it whenever a conman is exposed, the sychophants cry out "anger"?!?! It's really a rather fun aspect of an otherwise boring job.

Please explain the con to this lowly "sychophant"[sic]. The book isn't even published yet. If it contains one solitary item of information which could save a player the cost of the book during a game of blackjack, how is the player "conned"?

Still waiting for your proof of Bootlegger's jealousy. I knew you didn't have any. Shame on you.

The book isn't even published yet. If it contains one solitary item of information which could save a player the cost of the book during a game of blackjack, how is the player "conned"?

You conveniently ignore the accepted math that at least 90% of cardcounters are losing players. Lack of skill, bankroll, discipline doom most players. Are you arguing this fact? Hence, more people will lose money buying such a book (or others like it) than the single red chip any one player could save from any solitary item (assuming the book even contains such an item which is highly doubtful).

Since authors really can't do anything regarding discipline and bankroll, should we just assume they can't teach the skills, too?

How would you suggest that someone in that 90% acquire the skills? By reading your insightful posts?

You seem to easily forget that my original post was in response to your allegation that Bootlegger is jealous of professional players. Since that time, you've done nothing but beat around the bush and change the subject. Since you're obviously unwilling or unable to provide such evidence, it's obvious to every one here who the phoney really is.

You may have the last words. And I'll take odds that, once again, they'll fail to back your original assertion.

Ah, yes, another great post from another great mind. Here's the reality of most green chippers: they dream of being professional gamblers, but don't have the balls to do it, so they stick with their miserable jobs and continue to fantasize. This latest post is clearly a result of those fantasies. Green chip is the perfect setting for the 90% of losing counters, it's a great spawning ground for absurd ideas.

Then there's the real world. Anyone who thinks this false arrest fantasy will work should try this: go to Riverside in Laughlin. Play high-stakes single deck and spread aggressively. When you get backed off, come back the next day on another shift and repeat. When you find yourself backroomed, pull out the post for false arrest and give it a shot. When everybody stops laughing, they might release you just because you have a great sense of humor.

I respect those who make their living with gambling. It is a very tough profession that requires a variety of skills and one that is usually short-lived, like a pro athlete. However, I bear no jealousy toward any player skilled enough to make it as a pro. I have no desire to be a professional player and I have never harbored such a desire. I am doing just fine in my chosen profession and it is one that I would not trade for the life of a professional gambler.

I also bear a great deal of respect for those who have labored to increase our knowledge of the game. People like Thorp, Braun, Griffin and Snyder never played as pros as far as I know, but they have offered a great deal to the community.

By the way, my betting levels have increased significantly since I wrote those words to Leigh, but they are still not at the levels a pro must bet if he wants to make a good living at the game. I am flattered that you would remember those words written four years ago or even that you would have taken the time to look them up.