Normally I know any 6 to 5 game is a fool's errand but recently saw a single deck, S17, DAS game with a twist that the dealer deals out all the cards, and once out will shuffle the discard pile and keep dealing, even if in the middle of a hand.
Could this 100% penetration overcome the 6 to 5 disadvantage, in your opinion? Assume that I'd just be applying standard hi lo so it's not like I'd know there's a 3 and 4 left, I'd just know it's a -2 count with 2 cards left.
Last time I saw a single deck game was in the year 2019 on a cruise ship. It was dealt to about 15 cards to the bottom.
The OP's question is interesting. 100% penetration in single deck is extremely valuable. But note for clarity that this is not "continuous shuffle". Continuous shuffle is where they use a shuffling machine and place the cards back into it after each round. Pretty much the opposite of 100% penetration!
From CVData, a single deck 6:5 h17, no Das, 100% pen and 1: 4 bet spread has a positive IBA of 1.6 %. Same rules for 0.5 pen has negative IBA of -0.376.
I guess I might have misunderstood you. I thought you were Software BJ Survey of Henderson. You guys are all well equipped, but keep in mind, a game with 100% penetration does not exist in this universe.
Th OP began his post by saying he found this game.
Th OP began his post by saying he found this game.
When I said casinos in Canada, you questioned me for more specifics, so I confessed Woodbine Racetrack. We should question OP too.
From CVData, a single deck 6:5 h17, no Das, 100% pen and 1: 4 bet spread has a positive IBA of 1.6 %. Same rules for 0.5 pen has negative IBA of -0.376.
Thanks.
It's true that my initial wording was atrocious, I should have used the term 100% pen or continuous play, but can't edit title.
From CVData, a single deck 6:5 h17, no Das, 100% pen and 1: 4 bet spread has a positive IBA of 1.6 %. Same rules for 0.5 pen has negative IBA of -0.376.
Thanks.
It's true that my initial wording was atrocious, I should have used the term 100% pen or continuous play, but can't edit title.
For 4:1 bet spread. 1 < TC 4, 2 units 5,6 3 units 7-9, 4 units > 9.
From CVData, a single deck 6:5 h17, no Das, 100% pen and 1: 4 bet spread has a positive IBA of 1.6 %. Same rules for 0.5 pen has negative IBA of -0.376.
Thanks.
It's true that my initial wording was atrocious, I should have used the term 100% pen or continuous play, but can't edit title.
For 4:1 bet spread. 1 < TC 4, 2 units 5,6 3 units 7-9, 4 units > 9.
In single or double deck games, cards are often dealt face down, this makes card counting extremely difficult if you are not playing alone. In your simulation, how do you consider this problem?
From CVData, a single deck 6:5 h17, no Das, 100% pen and 1: 4 bet spread has a positive IBA of 1.6 %. Same rules for 0.5 pen has negative IBA of -0.376.
Thanks.
It's true that my initial wording was atrocious, I should have used the term 100% pen or continuous play, but can't edit title.
For 4:1 bet spread. 1 < TC 4, 2 units 5,6 3 units 7-9, 4 units > 9.
In single or double deck games, cards are often dealt face down, this makes card counting extremely difficult if you are not playing alone. In your simulation, how do you consider this problem?
Qfit software offers almost infinite variable sets when it comes to configuring a simulation. Too many to go into in a discussion such as this. My simple test assumed a player heads up against a dealer. You should subscribe to the Qfit platform.
There is a fairly uniform procedure in real games for when the face-down cards are revealed but, as always, there can be differences. It's sometimes possible to peek at the cards your neighbours are holding but, other than that, you have little choice but to count then when you see them.
Qfit (CV) has options for face-down simulation and for peeking. My own software just counts them as they are revealed when in face-down mode.
My own software just counts them as they are revealed when in face-down mode.
I’m very interested. The other softwares people here frequently refer to just sound too programmatic to me. I need a player who writes softwares.
Surely you jest! Norm has been a player for well over 50 years and receives player requests for software improvements and ideas every day of his life. You really need to join the real world!
Don
I’m willing to learn. Speaking of single decks, I know for sure that these dealers are trained up. They will shuffle the deck at any point during dealing.
I’m willing to learn. Speaking of single decks, I know for sure that these dealers are trained up. They will shuffle the deck at any point during dealing.
With single deck they normally have a set number of rounds based on number of players. For example typically have seen 4 rounds with 3 players at the table or just 3 rounds for 3 players, dictated by casino or bosses to the dealers. But if the dealer thinks they don’t have enough cards for the last round they are allowed to shuffle early, so 2 or 3 rounds, and you don’t get a last round at what would typically be a high count since if deck is light many cards were used, typically lower value cards. This results in a cut card effect lowering your chances. And single deck basic strategy and indices should be looked at before playing since they have a number of differences compared to multi deck.
Dealing 100% through there’s no cut card effect. Years ago Vegas World had a 100% penetration single deck that only payed even money on blackjack. It was not bad, could bet way up on high counts toward the end and take insurance if dealer had an ace up at high counts at the end. Vegas World owner Bob Stupak declared “Card counters are invited”.
There’s a single deck 6:5 game at Jamul in San Diego that has decent penetration but the table is often crowded and the casino is smoky, nothing that special but is ok. I think there are still some number 6:5 single deck games around the US, dunno the good ones. Dunno if Reno or Laughlin still have any 3:2 single deck games with rule restrictions.
Phil
Single decks are mostly a commercial gimmick. Even if they exist, they are open for a very short time during peak hours.
Single decks are mostly a commercial gimmick. Even if they exist, they are open for a very short time during peak hours.
Whenever you make a gross generalization like this, you are certain to be wrong.
Single decks are mostly a commercial gimmick. Even if they exist, they are open for a very short time during peak hours.
The ones I have seen are usually open almost all hours.
If that’s the case, it’s worthwhile to take a sim. I just simulated a single deck 6:5 game using Hi-Opt 1 on your blackjack-hack simulator. Surprisingly, I easily beat it using a 1-15 spread. No way can I simulate this if there are four players at the table and I can't see their hole cards. Gronbog?
