Ogdensburg New York
I spent 30 years there one week-end!
I spent 30 years there one week-end!
where's Flash? come on Flash,speak up babe!!!
The poster has thrown around an accusation, which a pretty ugly term, liar, I might add, that he has shown no prove of, stating that he read it in a 3 year old post. How about providing some proof. Like a link to that 3 year old post. Or at least someone else that read such post. Without either it's just one persons word against another. It is pretty classless to make an accusation of this sort and smear someone's name, while showing no proof.
Further more, I say again, what purpose does this serve? Hoping to drive a knowledgeable player and poster from the site? That has been done numerous times and the real losers are the people who frequent the site for the purpose in which it was intended, to enhance our knowledge and improve our game. So I say thanks Kim Lee.
And really in my book it doesn't even matter. What difference does it make if Flash is a full time AP, or Part time AP or degenerative gambler, or some guy working at burger king or sitting home on welfare? As long as the information he dispenses is valid, anyone visiting this site to acquire such info has benefited. And if the info is not valid, I have no doubt many 'other' knowledgeable' folks here would jump on it immediately, correcting it. So again, I say to Kim Lee, stop your little which hunt or 'gotch ya game'. All you are really doing is weakening the board and encouraging qualified people not to participate.
I would like to say again, that although I have not personally met Flash, I have now spoken with 3 people between this site and the other who have met and played with him. I am confident that he is who he says he is. And BTW, it's not like its some glamorous picture he is painting of a big time high roller who has made million. 46 grand a year average over 18 years. The average income, AVERAGE, not median, there is a big difference, in the US for the last year I could find 2008 was just over 55 grand, so Flash is proclaiming himself below average. lol
go Kewl go!
This is all related to the size of your units. There is a big difference in the number of hours you'll be able to play whether you use $5, $25, $100 or $500 units.
As mention by Kim, 10-15 hours/week is a usual average for Blackchip play.
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I like C better, but my comp figure is more like $150, not $400. Can you provide a link to the discussion so I can get my comps up? Or, just a time frame of the posts and I'll do a GC search.
The final word I will note on the Flash issue - everyone has a right to their opinion about another poster. I just don't like seeing anyone "beaten up" unless there has been some true damage from the poster in question. If you were having a "discreet" discussion, maybe it's best to leave it that way.
If you sincerely feel that any level of misinformation can create inaccurate visions of AP possibilities, then I appreciate your concern for the aspiring, yet misled, APs. Furthermore, you probably do have a responsibility to bring it to the attention of others.
However, maybe use some diplomacy. You could post "aspiring APs should be cautious of what they believe". You might also just post realistic expectations for the aspiring AP without having to name names. Readers could email you in private if they want more details. etc... Just some diplomatic thoughts.
Please keep posting along the lines of your other productive posts and send me that link. Thank you.
BR, ie, $50 hourly. That has to come with high variance, correct? If not, then I'd like to learn more. You can email me if preferred.
Snapper's illustration of 2000hrs per year @$100 per hour to earn $200,000 was for a year.By that logic,one could earn $800,000in 4 years.That is not what Flash has apparently claimed.I do not know where he wrote but if that is true,$45k per year is far lower than $200,000 which might be difficult to earn year after year.That said,I am sure a few players like BJ Traveller,Grosjean might earn several times the figure with additional skills but I digress.
Flash is an extremely experienced,skillful and knowledgable BJ player.Just for the record,(like stock analysts disclosing stocks they own)I have been mentored by him over the past year or so.We have exchanged several emails and I learnt a ton as did many APs.I has a very good year winning more than $35,000, pre expenses and can prove it.
He is one of the most helpful posters too as can be verified by reading the other popular forum.New players are actually warned about the "real world BJ"by Flash.I have not seen him post it as a game to
make easy money.In fact,he does the very opposite ,possibly sensing that new players start playing BJ with dollars hanging from their eyes. My game which was slighly better than breakeven or even breakeven when I first corresponded improved drastically after my interaction and I would not be the player I am without his mentoring.
I am able to travel for good games even though it is not my full
time profession.
I recently met him for the first time and he might not have read any of this thread.I am not sure if he would respond but he is likely to get to read this before the end of the week.
One another thing-he frequently quotes his own example of overbetting to warn new players against the risk of losing thier
BR.
It is unfortunate that such a prolific,experienced and magnanimous poster has been unnecessarily dragged into this.At the very least,you should have posted a link to where be posted the contradictory results.Even then,an Excellent BJ player can be a lifetime winner in BJ but loser in other games.U am not saying that isntrue here but even if it were true,that shouldntake away nothing from his BJ advice.
Waugh
I consider myself a fulltime player as BJ is my only income ... 26 hours per week
Real professionals play to win money. In contrast you and FLASH1296 play mediocre East Coast games for $25 units. You could earn more money in less hours by playing a strong game in better conditions for higher stakes.
Flash ... posted his results ...
I have not personally met Flash, ...
I am confident that he is who he says he is. ...
So who is telling tall tales now? ...
How about providing some proof. Like a link to that 3 year old post.
After winning 2829 units last year you can't afford a Green Chip membership to read Flash's old posts. Have fun reading free pages and fantasizing.
Why are you soo confrontational, Mr Lee? I have a green chip membership...thank you very much. I don't think it is my responsibility to search through old threads to verify your accusations. If you are going to make an accusation about someone lying on a public message board, you should provide the evidence, in this case a link.
As far as weak east coast games, I don't know where Flash plays. I believe he travels a lot, but I can't speak for him. I, however purchased a property in Vegas late last year and currently split time between Vegas and the east coast, playing both locations, although much more in Vegas now.
...or anyone's game?
Sadly, it probably makes qualified people want to participate less.
it's over
Please report back to confirm that FLASH posted repeatedly he was a lifetime loser as of Sept. 1, 2007 and was spending 90% of his time on low limit poker.
http://www.bj21.com/greenchip/misc_bj/index.cgi?read=94470
http://www.bj21.com/greenchip/misc_bj/index.cgi?read=94486
Flash's post certainly appear to have some inconsistencies. I still don't see how it affects you, your game and/or career? Apparently you think it does and felt the need to call him out on it and so you have done so. Do you feel better? Bigger? More empowered now?
As I stated earlier, I could care less if Flash, or any one else, is a fulltime player, parttime player supplementing their income or retirement or in charge of french fries at Burger King. All I care about is acquiring as much knowledge as I can to better my game and career. And Flash and many other members have contributed to that for which I am grateful, especially in my earlier years. If the information that he passes along is mathematically correct, then it isn't tainted because he may not have the experience that he claims. If a lifelong smoker tells you that smoking is bad for your health, is that information somehow less accurate because he is a smoker??
If Flash has learned some of this info because of his past mistakes, such as over-betting, then I for one and happy to learn from his mistakes.
I still don't see how it affects you
I have wasted time and money on exaggerated opportunities.
If the information that he passes along is mathematically correct, then it isn't tainted
Not all his information is mathematically correct. Besides, the critical information is whether you can exploit his advice under real-world conditions. When FLASH lies about his career success, he encourages people to emulate it.
FLASH is mostly honest about being a retired guy who travels with his poker-playing wife. But he should have added:
I'm a lifelong gambling degenerate who finally learned to control my addiction while indulging my passion. In early years I lost at baccarat and other games. Then I switched to losing at blackjack. Even after learning to count, I still overbet and lost back my winnings. It has taken years to develop discipline.
After two decades my blackjack winnings have finally recovered earlier losses. Recent years have been positive, and I'm optimistic about getting a future edge with an average bet under $100. Instead of visiting RV parks, I visit casinos because they have free parking and cheap dietetic buffets. Without the cushion of retirement savings and free airline miles, it might not be economically viable. But I'm stubborn and enjoy it.
So you are telling us that you read a post by Flash about his card counting blackjack success and without further research and simulations ect, went out and tried to 'emulate' his results and failed? For this reason, you feel the need to expose him and save future generations from him. Ok well the world is full of people claiming to be or have done things that they haven't. The internet has just made it much easier. You are going to be a very busy man policing them. lol
Let me ask you, would you build a rocket ship and fly to the moon, because someone on a message board claims to have?
My point is Flash is anonymous person on a message board that provided information, most of which is accurate. If he were to post something that wasn't, there are plenty of knowledgeable qualified people on said board that would jump on it. I don't care if he learned it by being a successful advantage player or as a losing gambling degenerate or is just reading from a book. His information for the most part is valid. But regardless, you have made your point. We probably won't hear from Flash again. You can rest. And in the process have probably dissuaded several qualified members from participating on the boards, for which again, we all worse off.
I am not here to refute the numbers or explain anything other than what I had read in another bj book. I just want want bring it to the attention to the very smart people on this board for their expertise and opinion.
I read that basic strategy was developed nearly 40 years ago. Millions of simulations were done to achieve the best possible strategy for each and every hand possible. All the results are based if the cards were evenly distributed. This author was claiming that because in black jack the cards are rarely evenly distributed as play continues and basic strategy can not be used for every hand. He said that you should alter your play based on what has come out; much like card counting offers. He also mentions that card counting doesn't allow a very large advantage either and that all the methods we are using today are dated.
Also he says that the old style of play assumes that there is always a 10 in the hole when the percentage of time there is a 10 in the hole is only 30.8% of the time. He says that this logic is absolutely rediculous. To expand on this thought he says what is the difference if the dealer has a 10 showing and a 6 in the hole versus an upcard 6 showing with a 10 in the hole. Undestanding the possible hole card would give a tremendous advantage.
For example: Lets say the dealer upcard is 7 and many 10s and As have been dealt out grater than average. He said that the 7 should now be treated like a dealer showing a 6 because the busting rate now resembles just like a 6.
I undestand that the people on this board have indcated the indexes of deviated from basic strategy. In thet case above, I do not know the index for altering basic strategy with a 7 showing but the TC would have to be quite high.
What do you guys think about the info that I have read. Again I am not refuting anything that has been practiced on this site but rather just wanted to share some additional info. If it can help us all, why not.
Brendan
Card counters do not assume that the hole card is a 10 (unless we see it). It is an easy way that some players (usually not card counters) use to explain to a novice the reason that he should not stand on a hand lower than a 17 if the dealer shows a 7 or higher.
Card counting is based on math. The math involved in card counting has not changed in 40 years. It doesn�t make card counting outdated. Yes, card counters do not have a very large advantage. We make up for it by playing over 100 hands per hour and betting thousands of dollars per hour.
There are methods that result in advantages that are better than card counting at blackjack. Most of the methods take advantage of dealer weaknesses (poor shuffle, exposed cards, etc.). Based on the way the author talks about counting, I doubt this author is providing useful information. I could be wrong.
Dr 21
Responding to attempted character assassination encourages the miscreant to continue apace.
I chose not too dignify the comments, but quoting out of context, etc. Is a common malfeasance.
I DID state that I was �a lifetime loser� � �played baccarat� � �90% of his time playing low stakes poker�? I was NOT referring to the last 18 years.
What was not clear is that I turned Pro in 1992. I began playing full-time BJ after decades of common gambling, without any blackjack whatsoever! At the time that I mentioned Poker � it was during an experimental period with my immersing myself in poker to see if I could live as a full-time Poker Pro, beginning at low stakes and progressively raising the stakes every month or so, when satisfied I was earning at least �one big blind� per hour. My education concluded that i could not earn little more than about $12/per hour; failing to make the $20/hr. mark by playing $10/$20; and struggling to �break even� at the $20/$40 level.
In any case, I had been gambling for around THREE decades, losing whatever discretionary income that I could muster. 30 years, it is pretty easy to blow 500K or a million bucks. You don�t need a calculator to divide by 30.
There was no accounting error.
I simply told the truth � that I had lost a lot of money prior to discovering 21.
There was a semantic misunderstanding. I suppose that I expressed myself poorly.
