Wynn bans lucky players?

I got banned from the Wynn over the weekend for reasons that were not explained. I am a recreational player that uses a progression betting pattern, based primarily on how the cards are going.

Here's how my approximately one hour long stay went:
-I was looking for a $100 or $200 double deck game, but the lowest they had was $300.
-I bought in for $3000.
-The first 5 or 6 shoes, my chip stack varied between about $2100 and $3600. My maximum bet was $600.
-Over the several shoes, I got lucky with the dealer busting often and me hitting quite a few double downs, splits, and blackjacks. My maximum bet was $900.
-After that, I was up $5400 and the pit manager (I'm guessing) came over and told me that he no longer wanted my blackjack play.

I thought I was having a dream. As I said, I consider myself a recreational player, not a counter. I do try to recognize when lots of low cards have been played, but I don't jump my bet up because of it. I just try to hit streaks of 4, 5, 6 good hands in a row and raise my bet gradually to take advantage of good runs.

I play pretty much the same way every time I play, which so far has been in probably 2 dozen casinos.

Does anyone have any ideas as to why they may have found me threatening and banned me?

Thanks,
Mike

They should be sending a limo for you. See link below.

... whether you're just lucky, or you're an advantage player. There are just SO MANY different ways to beat blackjack, there's no way any one pit boss can possibly know about all of them.

Now you know why they're such paranoid a__holes. So WATCH OUT. Try not to be so lucky in the future.

ETF

I was banned at "the B Coast" for flat-betting in a game and somehow winning almost every hand for 20 minutes or so. Count never went positive, I never varied my bet. I was told to leave and not come back... This about 3 years ago...

Interesting that somehow you can be a threat flat-betting while waiting on the count to rise...

you used your brain to make play decisions, you won money. Please leave now.

Casinos that have the power to make decisions to restrict play from certain patrons on games generally open to everyone tend to make bad decisions from time to time.

to fume about this, I began to wonder if I somehow set off their "card counter detector."

I know they use RFID chips there, but do they also use RFID cards? Do they have some kind of constantly program running that tracks the count and bet increases/decreases?

Maybe my wins and bet increases coincided with positive counts and bet decreases coincided with negative counts.

Mike

You may not want to use you real name on this site...maybe Mike is alias. Casinos are paranoid to a fault. You could be a profitable patron for them. They could comp you which would encourage you to return. You'd have a great time and they'd make some money on you in the long run. Mathematical evidence proves that progressions don't work, so this is why the other poster said "they should send a limo for you". He means, they should send one to get you and bring you to the casino...not to take you away! I'm sure you knew that. Good luck. Check out some of the books on this site. Blackjack and the Law. Professional blackjack. ec... That is, if you plan to play 21.

if you are substantially ahead after 2 or more hours of steady play, you MUST be doing something that will cause them to have a substantial loss over the long-term. Ridiculous.

AB

Mike are you sure your bet spread was only $300/$900? Players don't get barred for a 3 unit spread at Wynn or anywhere else!

I chose not to say the word "wrong" as it could be misinterperited as confrontational.

1-3 will get you backed-off in MANY places. $5-$15 is enough at the EC or 1-3 purple chips at the Wynn.

If you join greenchip, you'll find a hilarious POM by phantom007 from March 2007 where he describes his back-off for just that, a 1-3 spread.

A spread of 1-3 can be very profitable if you pick the right game under the right conditions.

-Wylie

you are obviously not that educated..........a one to three spread won't get the cash on a dd game, you would be better off working at taco bell!

Have a nice day!

My min bet was $300 and my max bet was $900.

That's why I had such a hard time believing what the guy was saying.

okay Johnny, what is the hourly expectation on a .19 game betting $100 to $300.............. would you like a soda with your taco?

A double deck game with DAS, S17, 67% penetration and a $100 - $300 spread would yield $107 per 100 hands played, using the I18 and Hi-Lo. Do this long enough in just about any casino and you could get the boot.

No casino likes consistent winners. The ones with good surveilance and canny pit bosses won't tolerate this forever.

Heck, even in a crappy DD H17 nDAS game with 67% penetration you can spread $100-$300, Wong out at -1 and still earn about $70/hour. It ain't great, but it's more than most people make.

-Sonny-

Is there free/cheap software out there that I could use to calculate expectation for any unit spread for both dd and shoe that offer DAS H17 and DAS S17 based on 100 hands per hour, 67% penetration, using Hi-Lo and the I18?

There are two sources.

CVCX Online

http://www.qfit.com/blackjack-online-calculators.htm

AND

PowerSim

http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/

I used Blackjack Risk Manager, which is from John Auston. Norm Wattenberger's CVSIM software is also excellent.