Wonging

>> Secondly, just because I busted out overbetting a bankroll hail-mary style in no way says that I "can't cut it" as an advantage player, but I'm taking time to save up money to do it right this time.

> Yeah, ok. Whatever you say.

Please - if I can put up with the endless litany of insulting nonsense from the resident BJ21.com trolls, I can handle anything. Whether I will be back at it is not in question, the only question is when.

>> Finally, dealing is one of the best part-time jobs imaginable. The pay for the work required is fantastic, and with a prorated 15 minute paid break every hour, it pays nearly as well as my current job.

> So, if I'm reading this right, dealing is a great job for a lazy person.

Yeah I'm so lazy, what with my two jobs and all. I don't think an unemployed grifter exploiting a system while doing no actual productive work towards society has any right calling someone else lazy.

> I'd rather not launch into an extended diatribe here (really, what would be the point?)

.. to try and defend your unwarranted use of vacuous slander?

> so I'll just say that the above statement looks to me like something a person completely bankrupt in moral substance would make.

What a clever way to get around the "no personal attack" policy on BJ21. You must not just be an amateur troll.

> If you deny the FACT that casinos as a whole are reprehensible in their operations, then I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you otherwise. Sensible people are already well aware of this truth.

Of course, professional gamblers are completely unbiased in their views, aren't they?

Nowhere did I say that casinos were NOT reprehensible in operation - I did claim that they were no better or no worse than any other business. Big business as a whole operates pretty reprehensibly.

> I'm a professional player but if I could snap my fingers and wipe all casinos from the face of the Earth, I would in a heartbeat and go find another way to earn a buck.

What would that be? Another system with an exploitable hole that would allow you to sit on a high horse while doing nothing productive and telling the world how lazy they are?

> And as for the last vestige of Darwin's ideal...where in 'Origin of the Species' does it say "The ploppies shall be shamelessly and relentlessly bilked."?

Something about "survival of the fittest" comes to mind maybe?

Perhaps the casinos, taking money from the weak and the irresponsible and giving it to people working and trying to get ahead in the world, might just be exhibiting a little of that mentality?

> Maybe I'm a hopeless idealist, but I've always thought there was more to life than making a fast buck or getting over on the next guy.

Or maybe you're just a baseless hypocrite, claiming that there's "more to life than making a fast buck" while making your living exploiting loopholes in a system?

Its time for you to be a man and either "put up or Shut up". So I'm calling you out!
You constantly go on and on about how basic strategy is flawed and that you alone have devined the correct strategy, by somehow eclipsing some pretty incredible minds with your vast knowledge and sheer brilliance.
If there's a flaw in basic strategy, step up to the bar and tell us WHAT it is!
Here's your chance to prove that you are right and we (and billions of simulations ard eons of real life casino play) are ALL wrong!
Tell us what this flaw is NOW, or else you'll be confirming once and for all that you're just a pathetic crank who makes up utter nonsense just to get attention, much like a little girl who lifts up her dress to get attention.
WHAT"S it gonna be frank, are you a man of vision and brilliance with some guts or a little girl holding her dress up to get attention?
I know which one I'd bet the table max on, but I'll wait for your answer to confirm it. Make your move.
CB

is the best way to justify asking a wonger not to wong in a way that will indicate you are something other than a counter.

Spok

First of all, I don't "narc", my friend. I will ask a wonger politely, more than once, to refrain from jumping in repeatedly. If that fails and I bring it to the pit's attention, I would never finger the wonger as a counter... only as someone that I don't appreciate jumping in and out.

I'm much more aware of the abilities of other players when I play-all.
When I wong, I'm not as focused on the ability of other players since I'm in-and-out a lot but when I wong, I'm ALWAYS considerate of others that may object to my activity because, as a wonger, I'm essentially a fly-by-nighter who is hammering their game... and they were there first.

I have little problem playing at a table with another counter who is playing thru the good and the bad of it right along with me but if he ducks out of too many negative packs, I'll find another table.

It's pretty much universal in BJ that if any play-all player objects to the activity of a wonger and the wonger persists repeatedly, it is the wonger who is being selfish and rude.

Spok

do not care to admit that it DOES take some luck for them to win.
Facts are facts-if you never draw the right cards you will not win.
That's count or no-count, spread or no spread, BS or NO.
Moose was over on JPs board along with Brian some months back, bad
mouthing John's methods. What neither sees is that John fell into all those traps Years ago. Slowly but surely common sense and daily
experiense showed him why he was losing. Big Double losses will
take you down the road to bust out as surely as Martingale will. Ten
days ago I watched a girl winning big time-couldn't lose-BUT one
pimple on most of her hands and she would be a HUGE loser-that is
dumb luck. With out dumb luck- tying your bet to the count, not
counting all the cards, and the wildly liberal BS is the road to ruin.
Yes there is a mustard seed size flaw in the BS that Thorp and Braun STOLE- that plays like GODZILLA. I am not about to reveal it, But
JPs BS is valid. He Has several geeedy plays that WORK for HIM.
(Spliting 5s for example) Any split jacks the odds against you, BUT
if the train runs ride it. The flaw is a large part of standard
deviation. I could not play JPs BS or mine, which is more conservative, until the flaw was exposed-now it is real damn easy.

Stop holding your dress up! Not only is it unlady like, people who do it are usually a laughing stock and the joke of the BJ world.
-You don't want to thought of as one of them do you?
@^D
Get some help soon Frank,
Cyclops
(All the above is still within the guidelines, I might add!)

Would a guy like Grosjean, work for the casinos (and take a monster pay cut)?
nuf said.

Is this the same Grosjean who made up stories about himself and his bankroll to appear badassed? Moose is being honest, at very least.

For the record, I don't see dealers as the enemy any more than I see the bored 16-year old behind the counter at MickeyD's as representative of a multi-national franchise.

"For a gambler, you seem to ride a pretty high horse."

Note he said "player" NOT "gambler".
There is not much gamble in what we do.

You already have about as much credibility as an above average chimp on this forum.
And the more you bad-mouth Mr Grosjean, the more you lose credibility amongst the REAL players.

And who said dealers are the enemy. All I am doing is stating the mere fact that guys like Ruchman do what they do because they can't cut it as succesful pro players.

It takes more than a bankroll to be a player.
Do yourself a favor and save that money for you and you're son, NOT for playing.

If you chose to ignore my advice, oh well. More for me and my associates.

You just have no idea what true evil is.

Well, perhaps child molesting priests are slightly more evil than casinos. And murderers too. But then, those people usually end up in prison. And, as a matter of fact, so do con men and all they do is bilk people out of money, just like casinos.

For a gambler, you seem to ride a pretty high horse.

I can't help it if my horse is bigger than your horse, hard8.

OK, here goes..

I should think that such a comment, with its trademark poor grammar and rogue apostrophe usage, would be indicative of a puny minded intellect that skulks within a bona-fide internet troll who is too cowardly to keep the same handle, even though the patterns in the ad-nauseam insults continually point to a common progenitor.

M.

Is this the same Grosjean who made up stories about himself and his bankroll to appear badassed? Moose is being honest, at very least.

Now that is an insightful post. Did you discover this information on your own or did you use a sophisticated computer program to work through the laborious calculations?

on a YUGO !

Now that is an insightful post. Did you discover this information on your own or did you use a sophisticated computer program to work through the laborious calculations?

No, he admitted himself that his introduction was a fabrication. If you don't believe me, you can ask him.
But, hell what do I know? I've never felt the need to brag about my actual winnings to sell books, let alone fabricate stories about them.

and sometimes informative!

"There is not much gamble in what we do"

Therefore there is some gamble in what we do.

Therefore we are gamblers.

You can't always just look at what a person says. You also have to look at the facts.

Actually, I read a lot better than I play. :-)

Please - if I can put up with the endless litany of insulting nonsense from the resident BJ21.com trolls, I can handle anything. Whether I will be back at it is not in question, the only question is when.

Keep telling yourself that.

Yeah I'm so lazy, what with my two jobs and all. I don't think an unemployed grifter exploiting a system while doing no actual productive work towards society has any right calling someone else lazy.

Yeah, you're too lazy to get one real job so you settle for two slack ones. I'm not a grifter and what I do is nothing like grifting. In fact, I think actual grifters who make a living off of grifting would be insulted by your implications. Grifting is an artform in and of itself and really has little to do with gambling. What I do to earn money and what I do to contribute to the betterment of society need not be inclusive activities. You, on the other hand, contribute to the detriment of society by working for a casino.

> I'm a professional player but if I could snap my fingers and wipe all casinos from the face of the Earth, I would in a heartbeat and go find another way to earn a buck.

What would that be? Another system with an exploitable hole that would allow you to sit on a high horse while doing nothing productive and telling the world how lazy they are?

I've never called the world lazy, just you. Let's not get a big head.

Or maybe you're just a baseless hypocrite, claiming that there's "more to life than making a fast buck" while making your living exploiting loopholes in a system?

Baseless? The basis of the position of superiority I have assumed is that I have never sold out to the casinos because I overbet my bankroll spreading $5-$25 and busted out.

Loopholes? What on earth are you talking about? I don't 'exploit loopholes in a system' (whatever that means), I just play in such a way that I have an advantage over the house.