When will Nevada and other states start imposing prison time for dealers and casinos who do cheat? If one were to work at a bank or the US Treasury and were caught to be stealing money they would face prison time. When will these same laws begin to protect casino customers?
was @ Silver Legacy and it seemed to me my few black chips put in pocket seemed to turn into blackish red/5$s..no kidding these 5s did not even look like the reds we were playing...i was loaded but i didnt definitely pocket reds as blacks..anyone experience this before..i think i was scammed by dealer/s..remember 1 dealer saying heres 1 for your pocket..being 1 of the black I pocketed..
But they will not do anything to casinos. Casinos will lay all the blame on the dealer and plead innocent. Only players and dealers get convicted of cheating. Casinos can do what ever they want.
Banks are regulated by strict Federal Law, while casinos are by state.
If you cheat in a casino, as a player, the casino may offer you two choice, arrested or "give me all your money and never return" Otherwise u will get arrested.
If you are a dealer, you will lose your job, your card, and most likely the ability to ever work at a casino, even cleaning the rooms.
Casinos who cheat, say skimmin, say a private hotel, say Vent or Aladian, virtually will never get caught, unless they get too greedy and defraud principle investors who in return would contact the FBI and the IRS, but that would take a few years.
A person who "steals" or "borrows"(lmao) money from a bank faces stiff imprisionment, though the ammenities are much better. I think that Robert Rubin the former US Treasurer under Clinton "stole" cause CitiBank pays him $28 MILLION a year....that is a lot of money not counting the interest free loans he gets as well.(little humor there)
why do you imply that Nevada does not imprision casino cheats? they do
where a casino has been convicted of cheating players? The courts generally rule in favor of the casino no matter how blatantly they cheat or abuse customers.
Is there any instance in the recent history of Nevada (let's say in the past 30 years) where a casino lost its gaming license on account of cheating? This is what everyone claims is the primary motivating force behind casinos not cheating. I'm just curious if it ever happens. I, for one, have never heard of a casino's gaming license being revoked because the casino was caught cheating, but maybe it has happened and I just didn't hear about it.
I've often wondered the same thing. I would guess that if any casino has lost its license for cheating customers, it was some small out of the way joint located away from the major gambling centers in Nevada. Even that might be a stretch. I'd also wager that no major casino has ever been heavily fined, had its license suspended, or lost its license over cheating customers.
Maybe Bill Zender could weigh in on this question.
You would have to snatch a handful directly off their tables (whether it be shoe or hand held) and run like hell. This seems to be quite dangerous though, and most likely illegal but it is hard evidence. So who has the balls to do this?
P.S don't go it alone :)
about 30 years ago owners were forced to sell their casinos, for "cheating the gov't" aka skimmin and not paying taxes.....i think the govt dropped any chargse to kic out the dirt bags..lmao...like skimmin isnt still going on, and terrible's 400 had 50,000 paying fans at the off road environmental off road race
You should be a casino consultant with such wisdom that you have.
Yeah,I agree if casinos can get away with it go for it.
When will Nevada and other states start imposing prison time for dealers and casinos who do cheat? If one were to work at a bank or the US Treasury and were caught to be stealing money they would face prison time. When will these same laws begin to protect casino customers?
The entire industry is designed to steal money from customers. Thats what casinos do for a living - they separate gullible suckers from their money. I mean, what did you expect - fair and honest treatment? Going to a casino looking for honesty is like going to a brothel looking for true love.
I hate casinos.
I believe the Nevada Gaming Commission does this for you, though I am not sure of how often, or how much advance warning is given. If I remember Zender's book correctly, they come in and confiscate all the cards in a shoe, along with any discards. (not sure about the shoe and the chain). This would detect a short shoe, which is one of the few ways a casino can cheat without any dealer involvement.
In my mind, this would be a really stupid way for a large casino to cheat, because they cannot blame it on the dealer. But I doubt a casino's license would be revoked for a single incident. I can see the letter now:
Dear Gaming Commission:
Thanks you for coming in for today's audit of the cards at Table 7. Unfortunately we must report that shortly after you left, we found a Queen of Hearts on the floor under the third base seat. We suspect one of our players was attempting to cheat using some manipulation of this card. And we wanted to bring it to your attention immediately, in case it might have some bearing on your results. We look forward to successful completion of your audit.
Sincerely,
Sleazy Casino Manager
It is well known that the Roman Emperor Caligula won consistenty at dice because he cheated against his unwary opponents. If the casino is stealing from you, then your job is to find a way to reverse that condition.
Personally, I gave up card counting because it doesn't provide a high enough roi factor to make it worth my time spent inside a casino. My only use for Blackjack nowadays is for camoflage purposes. B-e-l-i-e-v-e I-t O-r N-o-t!
Nothing you said is really incorrect but it omits a big fact. The major gaming companies have much to lose if cheating were shown to have occurred in one of their venues and they are very sensitive to the potential magnitude of negative publicity that could erupt from such an incident. PPE and MBG venues don't feel at all free to do "whatever they want" in this regard.
I fully buy your wording as it pertains to small, one-horse venues, however, where owner/dealer collusion can occur.
Spok
will help the casinos cheat you.
There was a casino between the Aladdin and Bally's next to a little dump called Little Caesars. They were closed for cheating. The name was something like the Silver Saddle.
Sorry, my memory aint what it used to be.
