Flash can you please explain "Kiss 3 is not very good". (understatement) reasons other than just your personal opinion. One more question would an UBZ 2 count produce the same results as the Kiss 3 count ? Playing conditions would be 6 deck DOA first 2 cards, S17, RSA, Double after split. 1 and 1/2 deck cut off. Betting spread would be from 1-12 chips. Which one would you use? How much of a difference would there be ?
ManK,
I fired up CVCX and checked the results for a 6D, S17, DAS, RSA game with 4 players for a counter spreading 1:12 and playing full Kelly to a $10K BR. With KISS III, he bet from $10.50 (at <= +16) to $126.00 (at >= +25), and had a win rate of $26.21/hr with a RoR of 13.6%. With UBZ II, he spread from $9.90 (at <= -6) to $118.80 (at >= +9), and had a win rate of $23.94/hr with a RoR of 13.4%.
Hope this helps!
Dog Hand
Thanks for the sims results Dog Hand. Pretty much what I expected. I just wanted to see how close it was. I see if you were going to chose between the two it would be Kiss 3. Simplicity !
I would have compared Kiss III with a count that I find it much preferred such as ZEN or RPC.
Kiss III is Hi-Lo with an added +1 tag for sevens (7's), thus "unbalancing" the count.
Doing so simply weakens the count.
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Dog Hand,
I am not qualified to say precisely what you did to generate a CVCX sim that actually has Kiss III outperforming UBZ2. It makes no sense to me. I have never seen a simple Level One count trounce a Level To Count.
'Hand ... please explain or rerun the sim, holding all variables equal and constant.
Flash,
What I did was to download the archives for KISS III and UBZ2 from the QFIT website: see link below. I then started CVCX, selected the appropriate strategy (KISS III or UBZ2), input the indicated playing conditions (6D, 4 players, S17, DAS, RSA, 4.5/6 pen), set the bet spread to 1:12, set the bankroll to $100,000, chose a Kelly fraction of 1, and set the betting refinement to "minimum chip size", which I set to be $1. I then took the results, divided the win rate and bet sizes by 10 (since I wanted answers for a $10K BR, rather than $100K), and reported the results.
Just for you, I downloaded the "Zen Original" and "RPC" archives, and repeated the CVCX results.
For Zen, the counter spreads from $11.50 (at <= +1) to $138.00 (at >= +7), and makes $28.99/hr with a 13.5% RoR. For RPC, the counter spreads from $10.70 (at <= 0) to $128.40 (at >= +4), and makes $27.18/hr with a 13.5% RoR.
Hope this helps!
Dog Hand
