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snapper

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Jun 13, 2007, 6:16:55 PM

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Ploppy story

I sat with three the other day. I jumped in "mid Shoe" according to the Asian looking lady-plop. I believe it was the 2nd round of a 6d and the count was positive. Far from mid-shoe.

I then late surrendered a hand. Of course all three shook thir heads and made remarks to one another as though I wouldn't know what they were saying. And, as though they were real experts. I was winning and they were not, so of course their bad luck was my fault.

I LS again and they just couldn't believe it. The AP, that's Asian Plop, not Advantage player, then late surrendered something ridiculous just to mock my play. It was a stiff against a stiff I believe. Her friends shook their heads and laughed in agreement....as she threw away well over $25.

The count turned and I walked. It was actually a bit intimidating. Probably because I don't like any attention and they were making things obvious. The moral of my post is two fold. First, it still amazes me that so many gamblers are this uneducated. Why would even a ploppy laugh at LS of a 16 versus 10! Secondly, prepare yourself for these encounters. I'm not sure what the right approach would have been. I said nothing, but I kept wanting to shut them up without the house noticing. I would have liked to have this table as an option later in my session, because it was the best opportunity in this shop, but I did not return to it.

Good playing.

ihate17

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Jun 13, 2007, 8:06:28 PM

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happens all the time

I play few shoe games that do not offer surrender. I get exactly what you got all the time, both the shaking heads, and then the surrender at the wrong time. The Anglo ploppy will hit you with the statement, "I came here to gamble and not to surrender" eventually.

You smile, you say, "that's how I play" and then let them decide to stay, complain or leave and you should not care at all. Also, I do not think the player who surrendered was mocking you, more likely he thought he was copying you as you were winning or perhaps it was his way of changing the "Sacred Mythical Flow" since he was losing.

What you can not do is run from ploppies or change your way of playing to be acceptable to them. If that table offers good conditions go back. If you are wonging, you might be pleasently surprised and sit down only to see some of them leave (shaking their heads but who cares).

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Jun 13, 2007, 9:45:31 PM

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Las Vegas has been built by these people! (nt)

Easy Rhino

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Jun 14, 2007, 11:09:24 AM

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I prefer it when the dealers mock me

Sometimes I get in one of those surrendering streaks (especially in a plus count, sheesh), and the dealers will start giving me grief. I just say "I know, I know, I'm an enormous pussy. Now give me half my damn bet back".

Nanuck

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Jun 14, 2007, 11:47:04 AM

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Conversing with a donkey

If you you talk to a donkey long enough, its head will begin bobbing up and down. This does not mean it agrees with you.

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Jun 14, 2007, 4:24:36 PM

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The lady was right about one thing

"Mid shoe" is any time after the opening round. If you entered on the second round, that would be considered a mid shoe entry. "No mid shoe entry" rules bar entry after the first deal in some casinos. Superstitious players don't like players who enter during a shoe because it messes with "the flow." Play-all counters don't like it either but you shouldn't be sitting down with other counters anyway. If you plan to wong, you have to develop a thick skin. Don't worry about the other player's poor play and comments. If everyone played perfectly, the counter's strategy departures would stand out even more.

snapper

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Jun 14, 2007, 7:02:24 PM

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She was definitely mocking me...

I can handle "ploppy pressure". I just don't like that it may result in unwanted pit pressure. I like ER's come back "....now give me half my money back!" :)

Dave Jay

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Jun 15, 2007, 12:38:41 AM

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comments from a problem gambler

First, I don't consider myself a ploppy. I love myself more than that.

In my experiences with the LS play, most people don't noticeably comment. A few will voice their disagreement (but nothing crazy), a few will question what it even is, and some, in consequence, will even seem grateful for such an enlightening option (despite knowing the correct usage).

It seems like I have always needed to say the word surrender a second time to the dealer - perhaps I was soft spoken, or maybe the dealer hasn't heard it in a while.

I suspect that your playing decision on a hard 16 vs. 10, with a pit floorman presently watching your play, influences your comp rating. The soft 18 vs any dealer too. These aren�t plays deeming you a card counter, but they are the most misplayed.

IMO, the fireworks happen when you strictly backcount � jumping in and out. And if you really want to piss people off, apply negative departure plays when you�re probably not backcouting.

I�ve been verbally cursed at, spit on; I had a person throw chips at my face. I was at the bar area in the main Pequot Foxwoods lounge, and a woman literally threw a substance in my beer. I didn�t even notice the action at first, but the Corona started to fizz out of nowhere and she promptly left out of her seat. I didn�t do anything; I just left the beer alone and thought about it and left. I laughed a little.

�I would have liked to have this table as an option later in my session, because it was the best opportunity in this shop, but I did not return to it.�

Come on. GET IN GEAR AND BE A HARD ASS. Do your job. You are not there to socialize or to please anyone.

My downfall was impatience. Don�t let yours be intimidation.

Russ M

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Jun 15, 2007, 11:25:47 PM

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wrong species

"If you you talk to a donkey long enough, its head will begin bobbing up and down. This does not mean it agrees with you."

if you talk to a cougar long enough, her head will begin bobbing up and down too. this means she agrees with you.

sounds kinda like my last date! her head was definitely bobbing up and down - except it wasn't a donkey - it was a cougar - and she was definitely agreeable

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