I have found a place and have been training. This is what CVdata has came up with. I'm not expecting to win big, but hoping I've entered the information correctly and that this is a plan (bet spread) worth while, at least in terms of the experience and beginners EV. Thoughts?
You are definitely well equipped! I’m not good at bankroll and RoR but I believe with a trip bankroll of $1000, you should last at least several hours a time. It also looks like you are going to use HiLo, but the screenshot doesn’t indicate how to play the insurance.
Your EV looks higher than I would have expected. When I triy to recreate your results in CVCX using Hi-Lo Full indices , I get 0.714%. What sim did you use?
I'm using K.O. Preferred with full index, not Hi-Lo. Insurance is taken at a RC of +3 and higher. The Sim was a 5 billion round simulation with h17 das where dealer peeks 10.
I just noticed your sim result of this:
When Count = -4; Count Frequency = 17.20%.
This is the peak frequency point, so it’s neutral at this point. You are not using HiLo, but KO. Somebody posted here a couple of months ago, saying he had great success with KO for double deck games.
What does "where dealer peeks 10" mean? Does dealer peek Ace?
I just noticed your sim result of this:
When Count = -4; Count Frequency = 17.20%.
This is the peak frequency point, so it’s neutral at this point. You are not using HiLo, but KO. Somebody posted here a couple of months ago, saying he had great success with KO for double deck games.
What does "where dealer peeks 10" mean? Does dealer peek Ace?
Its just one of the options when setting the parameters. It is typically unchecked but ive noticed most dealers peek the 10, therefore I selected that option.
I'm glad to hear someone speak positive about KO for 2 Deck. I've mostly heard don't use KO for double deck, but no reason as to why, so I'm just gonna stick with it.
Your EV looks higher than I would have expected. When I triy to recreate your results in CVCX using Hi-Lo Full indices , I get 0.714%. What sim did you use?
Interesting! OP shows EV = 1.637% using KO preferred, but you say EV =0.714% using Hi-Lo. Are you two using the same bet spread of 1-7 and the same deck penetration of 60%?
Peeking 10 means they check for a blackjack if the upcard is 10
Still, there is a little confusion here. Does the dealer check for a possible blackjack if her upcard is Ace?
Another research for you. How about you run the same CVData sim to compare KO and Hi-Lo without using any deviation index, except this one index of insurance (RC=+3 for KO; TC=+3 for Hi-Lo) ?
OP, it sounds like you ran a sim in CVData. As a comparison, I ran your game parameters, spread iand bankroll n CVCX with the incuded KO Preferred sim and got an EV for your custom spread of 0.792%.
Your EV looks higher than I would have expected. When I triy to recreate your results in CVCX using Hi-Lo Full indices , I get 0.714%. What sim did you use?
Strange, I also checked, using only Sweet 16 Hi-Lo, and got EV of 0.90%. In any event, it's not the EV that matters; it's the SCORE. His was 113 and, but mine is 31, so something is obviously drastically wrong.
Still, there is a little confusion here. Does the dealer check for a possible blackjack if her upcard is Ace?
Another research for you. How about you run the same CVData sim to compare KO and Hi-Lo without using any deviation index, except this one index of insurance (RC=+3 for KO; TC=+3 for Hi-Lo) ?
Yes the dealer also checks for a bj with an ace upcard. Im using cvcx not cvdata to simulate. There are two options I just select both of them. One for dealer peeks an ace and one for dealers peeks 10.
Make sure you set the rules right. Especially, aces are split only once, each split ace receives only one card, and no doubling after aces splitting is allowed.
Make sure you set the rules right. Especially, aces are split only once, each split ace receives only one card, and no doubling after aces splitting is allowed.
I made sure. Thank you Ace!
OP - I would go back and check the indices and game parameters you set if you used the "Create a New Sim" option in CVCX. Your Win/Loss% at the different True Counts look high e.g., 3.96% at TC = 5. I've run some KO Preferred based sims (5B rounds) in CVCX (under "Create a New Sim") with (H17, DAS) plus(S17, DAS, SR) and the win/loss% I get at TC = 5 are in the 2.38% to 2.87% range and SCORE's ranging from 27.5 to 60.7. Also, try using the Archived Sim for KO Preferred as a comparison.
To your original question, given you say you're in a training mode, I would limit your spread to 1-5( $10-$50 with $50 at TC = 5) or less so as to keep the mangement attention lower. You don't want to get backed off while you're in a trainng phase.A $5K bankroll is not much to start with even assuming you can find $10 min tables, but I get it, you have to get some experience, so it's worth the larger RoR, especially if you can replenish the BR. For "training", flat betting would give you the chance to test how well you can keep the count amid the distractions, as well as work on your comportment. The cost, assuming 100 rounds/hr at $10/round and a house advantage of 0.5% would be somewhere around $5/hr.
I think there is something wrong with the software. When I change the number of players, it generates a completely different set of values each time. For instance, the SCORE will go up and down each time I switch between 3 players and 1. It's fluctuating between 70-100+ SCORE values each time.
Why don't you write to Norm on his forum? Dozens of people ask him questions about the software there. He answers right away.
Don
I've investigated this part myself using pjsatz's blackjack simulator at blackjack-hack.com. It seems KO has a smaller win amount per hour than Hi-Lo.
OP - I would go back and check the indices and game parameters you set if you used the "Create a New Sim" option in CVCX. Your Win/Loss% at the different True Counts look high e.g., 3.96% at TC = 5. I've run some KO Preferred based sims (5B rounds) in CVCX (under "Create a New Sim") with (H17, DAS) plus(S17, DAS, SR) and the win/loss% I get at TC = 5 are in the 2.38% to 2.87% range and SCORE's ranging from 27.5 to 60.7. Also, try using the Archived Sim for KO Preferred as a comparison.
To your original question, given you say you're in a training mode, I would limit your spread to 1-5( $10-$50 with $50 at TC = 5) or less so as to keep the mangement attention lower. You don't want to get backed off while you're in a trainng phase.A $5K bankroll is not much to start with even assuming you can find $10 min tables, but I get it, you have to get some experience, so it's worth the larger RoR, especially if you can replenish the BR. For "training", flat betting would give you the chance to test how well you can keep the count amid the distractions, as well as work on your comportment. The cost, assuming 100 rounds/hr at $10/round and a house advantage of 0.5% would be somewhere around $5/hr.
Thanks buddy, I feel a bit better with $50 as my max bet for now and dont think even if they know im counting- which im sure they do (im quite terrible at it in the sense that im like a robot at the table) that they even care since my max bet is so low. But having to play rated at this spot makes the $50 max so much more of a necessity than the risk of the $70 at the moment. I can save that spread down the road at another spot once im improved.
