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Of course, go to this link: https://secure.bj21.com/order/order1.htm

if u can afford 25/50, you may want to play s17,ds double deck with 0.7-0.8 pen. Otherwise stations have great double deck- h17,ds,rsa pen 0.6 with 5/10 min.

Thanks for the info and the tip. I wasn't sure if it was still offered because the page says c2007. I have a cushy game up in the woods here. I deal cards and they let us play once a month at our own pit. So the dealers give me 90 percent penetration (4 deck, unlimited rsa, h17, das) plus zero heat. But I figure I should step out of my comfort zone and see what all the fuss in vegas is about! I get a lot of free practice when dealing, but i need to see if I can hold my own out there. Thanks again GMan and Ill.
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u tip more than ev in ur comfort zone :)

I probably do. I'll pose this question. Say I am betting $25. I like to tip the dealers every hand. So if I put $1 on top of my bet as well as for the dealers, it only costs me 2 bucks to tip indefinitely. If I win, I roll the 1 from my bet to the dealer tip spot. Does this negatively impact my EV?
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You will never be great at the game until you can come up with a good reason for tipping.

I like giving money away too, but I don't unless I'm receiving something in return.

Edge. I get 90-95% penetration instead of 70% if I ask. Then I can use endplay effectively. I guess my desire to tip comes from me making my living on tips. I don't tip jerk dealers(we've all encountered them!). I figure if I "play the tray" (the technique I mentioned earlier), I only risk the 2 bucks every time I decide to tip.
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is $100 an hour to play blackjack. That's a lot, especially when you are losing. Let's face it, in the best game in the best conditions, including 100% pen, you can still lose.

You are giving away too much regardless of the pen increase. Though if she's a hottie and will spend the night......

What kind of player asks for more pen or even a "deeper dealt pack"? If you're dealing or rather, if your watching for counters and somebody wants this, what does that tell you?

Be careful how you go about acquiring the pen you desire, otherwise you will get the tap on the shoulder as soon as you start winning.

Say I am betting $25. I like to tip the dealers every hand. So if I put $1 on top of my bet as well as for the dealers, it only costs me 2 bucks to tip indefinitely. If I win, I roll the 1 from my bet to the dealer tip spot. Does this negatively impact my EV?

Playing a counting game with the ratio of tip to bet you describe, you are likely playing a losing game. You wrote that you are a dealer, and I assume one of the few who appreciates receiving tips. However, when you are on the player side of the table, you have to forget about tipping. Tipping for extra pen is usually futile, and could be construed as colluding with the dealer to break house rules, particularly if you personally know the dealer. Be careful with this. It is a different world being on the player side of the table.

..gornisht, ziltch, nada. The CW's are a completely different matter. Nothing pisses off a dealer more than after dealing to you for an hour or so and receiving no tokes you give a CW a red chip for a cup of coffee or bottle of water. Like the MasterCard commercial says, "Priceless"

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I can see not tipping due to the negative impact. But not tipping just to po a dealer that has done you no wrong seems unreasonable. All this time I thought you were a nice person.

Tipping is a science and an investment. It can be very costly and may wipe out your edge. Everyone knows counters don't tip. Tipping is almost a necessity. It buys you a dealer that will peg you as a nice person. She/He may not be running to the boss when their break comes. This may help you later in the game for a number of reasons. An ambiguous signal, an extra hand...whatever. You have to make that decision to toke or not but it will help you in the long run if you do. Figure it out...if you're making $50/hr and tip $1 every 15min your making $46/hr. If your EV is $100/hr and you do the same your making $96/hr and so on. If your EV is 1K/hr then you could put the dealer up every hand for a dollar and look like King George and still do well. It's always a good idea to tip the dealer when the relief comes in. That way they both see it. Tip at least once right away as soon as you get a blackjack...the dealer gets relaxed, you're not considered a counter and who knows... you might get a date.

Most players don't make those kind of numbers with their EV. So until they do, they are best served to just NOT do it.

Since u r a dealer, u can afford to tip every hand..
I am expecting other dealers will do the same for you. Hence you made your money back.

This will mostly neutralize the tipping damage. Keep tipping and keep counting :)

I knew I had to read the guts of this post as the title was a little out of character for you!

Regards,
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