K-O Key Count in 8-Decks?

K-O Key Count in 8-Decks?

Anyone else notice that for an 8-Deck game with a K-O IRC of -28, it takes a very long time for a shoe to get positive or at least the key-count of -6? I often find myself flat-betting for the majority of the shoe, and often with only 4-5 hands at more than 1 unit (as per K-O spread and ramp).

Thoughts?

Tks,

MCS

Look for better penetration

ms069279,

One solution is for you to find an 8-deck game with better penetration. For example, for an 8D, H17, DAS game with 4 total players, the fraction of hands with a RC of +4 or higher (thus, max bet) as well as the fraction of hands with a RC of -5 or lower (thus, min bet) varies with the cut-card location as follows, according to CVCX:

 

Decks  RC>=+4 RC<=-5 

7.00    6.5%   78.5% 

6.50    5.1%   82.0% 

6.00    3.9%   85.2% 

5.50    2.9%   88.0% 

5.00    2.1%   90.5% 

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Here, "Decks" is the number of decks in front of the cut card, so a value of 7.00 means that the cut card is placed only one deck from the back of the shoe, and the dealer will deal 7 (actually slightly more, since she'll finish the round on which the cut card appears) decks before shuffling.

Thus, as you can see, if you find a 7/8 game, you'll place your max bet approximately three times as often as you will for a lousy 5/8 game.

However, you can see that, even in a very well-cut 7/8 game, you're still placing your minimum bet nearly 80% of the time, while for a poorly-cut 5/8 game you are minimum betting over 90% of the time... such is the life of the 8-deck counter :-(

Hope this helps!

Dog Hand

Better Penetration

Thanks Dog Hand,

that indeed helped a lot. I got to the point that I started slightly doubting my efficiency and looking into other counts that also don't require true count conversions such as Uston Simple Plus/Minus.

The same 8 decks, with the latter system, have a "strike count" of +/- 12 for 1 unit at -12, and 4 units at +12 which seems more feasible than a -28 IRC.

Thoughts?

MCS

Get outta there!

Find an inconspicuous way to NOT play such negative situations.

Get Outta There...

Stealth,

I know, but that's AC for you. Penetration is bad and dealers hit soft 18...

:(

Thanks for the suggestion.

MCS

WOW! Now they're hitting soft 18's, too? ;-) (nt)

They're hitting soft 18 on the boardwalk?

...How much does that cut into our game? If this is true, Steve Wynn is going to make a fortune with his casino in Philly.
Jay Cobbson