I would like some information

A couple of weeks ago I posted a question on this forum about the history of the mathematics of card counting. I told I was working on this subject for one of my mathematics courses in university. I got some wonderful and very interesting information.
However, I would like some more information.
I was told that "...no discussion of the history of card counting, and especially the computer-generated studies of the game, would be complete without mention of the legendary Julian Braun and John Gwynn, the two pioneers of modern-day computer studies of the game."
I have been able to find some good information about Julian Braun, but do you have some suggestions where I can find information about John Gwynn?
Also, although it hasn't really to do with the mathematics, I feel that I also have to mention some people went to court to make sure counting became legal. Where can I find information about this?

Thanks in advance.

Peter Woerde

It is legal to follow the rules of the game and place bets anywhere from the table minimum to the table maximum. No additional law needs to be passed to permit thinking. Legal struggles have concerned not the legality of card counting but the legality of discrimination against card counters by casinos.

Such a battle was fought in the courts of New Jersey. and Won.

The "Private Club" ruling allows casinos to throw out any big
winner, or in the case of Bar You Coast any winner.

Counters are not legal in Vegas, but the 999 out of a thousand
that are losing big time- are given special dispensation to
contribute.

What do you mean about counters being "not legal" in Vegas?? I recently had to make complaints against one of the Metro Police stations in Vegas because they also had this eroneous idea. They then denied ever making the statement (of course). What exactly are you making reference to with "not legal"?

Also, I was unaware that cases in New Jersey pertained to "winners". That is interesting and I would also like more details. It would be nice to play somewhere that forbid discrimination of any kind against non-winners. You'd have forever to dig out of any hole.

Puts the state, the gaming commision, and the casinos in
bed togrther.

The casinos can get away with anything they want.

Example-When did Mr. Hoyle crawl out of the grave and
decide that BJ could be played with multiple decks?

Why did slots go from 30 clicks per wheel to 500 then
unlimited.

Jacks or better has had a program lock out on one card draws
since inception-the comm says they can't find it-SOOO they
got bigger and harder to find in newer machines.

YES-I would steal too, if the government made it legal.

"Counters are not legal in Vegas"

Complete and total nonsense. It is perfectly legal to count cards in Las Vegas and anywhere else in the USA.

Show me a single statute on the books that says card counting is illegal. Show me a single person who has ever been charged with the "crime" of counting cards.

The casinos have the right to "refuse service to anyone" for any reason they like, as long as they do not do it on the basis of race or religious beliefs. They can, and do, refuse to allow counters to play. They can order you to leave the premises. If you refuse to leave, they can have you arrested for violating the trespass act.

However, as long as you leave when asked, they cannot have you arrested.

The casinos would like the public to believe that card counting is illegal. Lets not help them perpetrate this myth.

I agree with the general point of what you are saying. But it would be more correct to say that it is "legal" for casinos to discriminate against card counters, rather than saying that card counters are "not legal". There is a big difference there.

There are more than a half dozen hits for the mathematician Dr. John Gwynn if you go to www.google.com and search for "John Gwynn". One of these states:

GWYNN JR., JOHN MINOR Passed away on June 5, 2001. Born December 9, 1932 in Chapel Hill NC he attended Phillips Exeter Academy and Univ. of NC, where he received his bachelors, masters, and Ph.D. degrees in mathematics. At UNC he was a Morehead Scholar.

Dr. Gwynn was Professor of Computer Science at California State University, Sacramento, for 24 years. He won outstanding teaching awards at CSUS, and previously at Georgia Institute of Technology, and was further recognized by graduating students at CSUS as Upsilon Pi Epsilon Outstanding Teacher of the Year. He was an international
authority on computer simulations of gambling games and authored numerous papers on this topic.

Unfortunately, what you say is true, but is not applicable to the Indian Casinos in the San Diego area. Recently I was barred from two of them because of what they considered to be "card-counting type play". And when they barred me, it wasn't with the polite "We don't want your action here" like they do in Vegas. I was escorted by four security personnel to the cage where I was allowed to cash in my chips and I believe they took a picture of me for their facial recognition system. I was then told that if I ever set foot on the reservation again, since they were a sovereign nation they would arrest me for trespassing and I would be tried in a Tribal court under the laws of the reservation, not under California State law. They then proceeded to walk me out of the casino to my car and watched me leave the reservation. It was a pretty harrowing experience and I've been barred before in Vegas, so I'm not unused to it, but the Indians really make it scary.

Pay attention to the signs about entering the res too.

I was referring specifically to Nevada law, since I was responding to a post that claimed that card counting is illegal in Las Vegas.

You are indeed correct that the reserveations are sovereign nations, and they can do pretty much anything they want. You have very little recourse in the way of appeals, lawsuits, etc.

My experience has been that the Tribes are concerned about their public image, and back-offs tend to be very polite, but this can vary greatly from one reservation to another.

It is best to act as if you were in a foreign casino. Essentially, you are.

Be careful. Be very careful.

I think size matters. I live in new engaland and i figure a backoff at foxwoods in Ct would be a lot different then a backoff at turning stone in verona NY.

nt