Griffin detective agency

I was informed by a card counting friend that my name and picture made it in to the griffin book. The griffin book said that I was betting in multiples of green. I am surprised that a casino as small as the Lady Luck would pay for this service

I was playing at the Lady Luck casino in Las Vegas in February of 2002, betting green chips up to $200.00 for 5 hours over 2-3 days. I usually pay for my rooms and use a players card without my real name, but in this case I thought that I would get the casino to comp my room while I was there. I came back in April of 2002, gave them my players card which in this case had my real name and boom I was barred in a nice way. My name apparently did not go into the book until April of 2002.

My question is does anyone know which other casinos use this service in Las Vegas and once you are in the book do you ever come out of it.

Any comments about the Griffin Detective Agency would be appreciated.

Griffin, but the way you guys talk about it it would appear that every week someone on this board is getting put into the book. If this is really the case there must be 100's if not 1000's of people in this book and I would find it very hard to believe a casino employee could be able to remember every face...or do they just go through every friggin mug shot everytime someone 'suspicious' sits down?

Jayel

your name will NEVER come out of it...but as time goes by it will be in older and older volumes. Chances are you are in the Griffin Gold computer database also. This will usually not be a problem but if a casino suspects you they can just look you up by your real name and bang you're nailed instantly. That's the bad news...the good news is that not all casinos subscribe to Griffin or Griffin Gold. If you play under a completely different name the casino then cannot look you up by name but then must actually thumb through the book page by page and compare your face to various pictures...the chances of them spotting you drop dramatically. With Griffin Gold software they can input info like your averge bet, spread, and description and then look at a much more narrow selection of photos which will give them a better chance of picking you out...but for them to go to this trouble they must think you're a threat first.

For bigger action players are usually checked out versus certain databases during their first few hours of play which means Griffin may have a bit bigger impact. For smaller action you may get by without any kind of evaluation at all.

Hope this helps.

Griffin Investigations is a despicable, repugnant company that is currently being sued by at least two high-profile advantage players.

Their dubious "service" to casinos is overpriced and generally ineffective, with some exceptions. There are just too many entries (thousands) in their "book" of "undesirable" casino patrons to be of much practical value.

The company is despised by most advantage players, and despised by most people who have respect for others' right to privacy.

I'm curious how you get players cards under an alias. I've always had to show my drivers license to get one and was even told that the casino must verify the name on the card with a picture ID per Nevada law.

Was that casino just pulling my leg?

At some casino's you can get a player's card with (2)Two Bank cards,
which are easy to get.

Being a banker, I don't think I can go for that option as it could be detrimental to my employment status.

Also, most banks are being much more careful than they were in past years when opening new accounts. We check references and require a picture ID in most cases. Getting a bank card under another name could be done, but it would not be easy.

... sorry, your post title made me think of Animal House. :-)

David

" . . . was even told that the casino must verify the name on the card with a picture ID per Nevada law."

This is a lie. It is true that most casinos have an internal company policy that requires production of photo ID, but it is not "Nevada law."

Many Reno area casinos issue player's club cards without ID. They are typically not as paranoid as Las Vegas stores. There are other simple ways to get them, too, that I don't want to post on a public board.

The next time a casino employee attempts to quote "Nevada law," ask them what section of Nevada Revised Statutes they are referring to. You will most likely get a blank stare.

The "book" of photos is outdated. The database in digital now. They can run a "face recognition" search in a minute.

Unless you disguise your face or wear a hat (which draws more suspicion) you are probably already marked.

Thanks for the info.