Griffin Book?

It is rare that they will try to outright steal your chips ("keep" them). Again, Gaming Control or even the local police would probably be worth calling, since this would be theft, a felony in most jurisdictions.

Do not let casino goons bully you. If everyone stood up for their rights, there would be even more lawsuits aginst casinos for their frequent illegal actions, and enough jury awards would finally make the head honchos take notice. Large money awards are the only thing they understand.

...this is all 'bout as powerful as a popcorn fart in the middle of a war zone. War zone being Indian land and their casinos. They get to do anything they want, however they want. We have very little rights while on their land. But it's still good advise regardless.

I think the Griffin Co. should start having to defend some lawsuits from the people they put in the so-called "book",computer system or whatever. A good sharp attorney should be able pierce through and rip their azzes off.

We need to unite on dealing with these type of problems. Class action lawsuits may be something to consider.

All 21 players should publicly force the issue or forfeit their right to complain. As I have stated many times, billboards on the strip directing the public to detailed websites and passing out thousands of flyers detailing what really goes on will be requred to make the game fair again. WHINING WON'T GET IT DONE. What fun we could have! How about if LV Bear is in charge of the organizing committee? I would agree to a small fee each month to join the effort. We could even sell sponsorship adverising on our site by worthwhile casinos!

So LVBear, whatdaya think?

Agree Stealth:

In my case I think DD is right and I'm probably not in
Griffin. But it is a potential possibility for all counters.

And what might be the peripheral consequences of being registered
next to cheats and thieves (for our entirely legal activity that
is nothing more than skillful play)?

For instance probably some types of non-casino employers also
use Griffin. Are some BJ players thus denied possible jobs,
security clearances, etc. for being in Griffin?

The Griffin book states right at the front of it (I have an old copy) that no person is ever to be told that they are being evicted, denied employment, etc, because of being listed in the Griffin book. No person should ever be told that they are in the book or any reference made to it.

My guess is that Griffin knows full well how illegal their entire business is and wants to limit exposure to possible law suits.

My guess is that Griffin knows full well how illegal their entire business is and wants to limit exposure to possible law suits.

You make it sound as if they are worried because their attorney's know there's a way they can be had. I have always felt that what they're doing is a possible defamation of the character of the people who are in it.

Do we the public have a right to know who all is in the book? Is there a way to find out if I am in there? It's LAWSUIT TIME if I'm in it.

Any legal guru's want chime in with their insite or comments?

"The Griffin book states right at the front of it (I have an old copy) that no person is ever to be told that they are being evicted, denied employment, etc, because of being listed in the Griffin book."

-I read that in D.V. Cellini's recent book. It actually scared me
because it seems to imply "no one should ever be TOLD...", in other
words, fire them but tell them a different reason.

By the way, D.D. is kind of similar to D.V. ...? Just thought I'd
drum up some possible conspiracy here ;)

it is quite common for them to demand ID for cashouts of 3K or more. While LV casinos are required to request it for this amount they are only required to obtain it when totals exceed 10K. Indian casions don't know the difference between a suggestion and a requirement and you generally have no appeal to anything other than the "tribal gaming commission". It is good to get advice from other players who play similar stakes and are familiar with a particular Indian property before getting into a risky situation with them.

At the bigger properties on reservations they generally have an outside management firm which respects normal rules of procedure.