Dice control: Legal or not?

Can we stay on the same page? placing the cut card does not alter the randomness of the deck in my favor, since I can't see the cards I am placing it between, I can't know what cards are in front of or behind the cut card, so it is just another random event in a string of random events.

This was a bad example.

"altering the random behavior" is not the same as "changing the random behavior of the game to your favor".

rolling the dice by hand affects the random behavior of a particular roll. But not overall... and not in my favor.

"Meanwhile I intend to enjoy my freedom, and exercise it by not doing things that could backfire in ways unimagined."

If you think "unimagined" things can't happen to you when you're beating people who think they have a God given right to an edge ... ?? It's almost funny. You're relying on the law to protect you. The law -- what a good gamble.

You mentioned Uston. Remember how he died? Lessee ... If I were a hacked off casino owner who wanted to waste somebody with a reputation for living too "high" on the hog, how would I go about that ... Hmmmm ...

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But at least it is common knowledge that card counting is not illegal. Casinos and cops can certainly make things up and it becomes a royal pain to extricate yourself. No argument there. My only point was that I would at least prefer to stay in a "known arena" since card counting has already made multiple passes through the court system.

I personally don't believe that any kind of dice throwing could be called illegal if it meets the casino's stated requirements, such as hitting the back wall, or whatever. And they certainly are free to change the equipment (speedbumps, different materials, irregular area on table where the dice must hit, etc. But, by the same token, I'd prefer not to be the one to have to establish that precedent. It would be expensive and time consuming. And one could spend part of that time locked up in the pen...

And yes, while I don't know how Uston died (conflicting stories I have heard) I'm certain the casinos could take all sorts of actions should they choose to do so. As I said, _anyone_ posting here can be identified given enough money. The casinos clearly have enough money...

"But at least it is common knowledge that card counting is not illegal."

Unfortunately, you are in error. A recent POM by Bob Nersesian, well known attorney for advantage players, leads off with a direct contradiction of your statement vis a vis the very people whose job it is to know -- Nevada Metro cops. That is part of the risk you are taking.

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I may be wrong, but isn't the point of shuffle-tracking to place the cut card so the deck becomes favorable for the player, i.e. "alter the randomness of the game?"

I'm not a shuffle-tracker. But I suppose that argument could be made, although the simple solution is for a dealer to simply do it all himself. IMHO if the casino puts something in my hands and says "throw these" or "stick this in the deck where you want to cut" then I can't be faulted if I use my eyes, my judgement, and so forth to do so at an advantageous point.

But I'd like to see it proven to be illegal before _I_ try it. I do not plan on spending extended periods of my life in a LV jail cell waiting on being released like JG...

Again, I have _never_ said that setting the dice or using a controled throw is illegal. I have _only_ said that I'm not willing to test the waters legally, myself...

I hope it works. But I'm not willing to risk dealing with a potential felony charge to find out... The casinos are obviously nuts about profit and AP players. Once you are accused, it is a long road to reach the end and get things cleared up...