computer counting in casino

has anyone out there used a computer device, people have said they are illegal, but i don't think they are in every state, does anyone know anything

Yes, there are many concealed computers that you can use and I am almost certain that they are illegal in both of the main gambling holes of the US (Vegas and AC). They are considered "outside devices". If a casino catches you "cheating" (it NOT cheating) with just your mind and counting, the worst they can do is throw you out of the casino - if they cath you with an outside device, you better get used to living with some guy that calls you "my bitch" for a few years :).

computerstudent, I'd like to offer you a suggestion if I may. Why don't you do some web searching through the gaming statutes of states which allow casino gambling. I've read the laws applicable to using devices such as computers in Nevada and New Jersey casinos. I did this in the past when I was participating in threads such as this. What I found was that it is illegal in both of these states. Please don't take my word for it though. You should visit http://state.nv.us and http://state.nj.us and read them for yourself. After that just check out the sites for all the other states which allow casino gambling. Good luck with your search. Hit 'em hard, Sidewinder

Computerstudent, they are illegal in Missouri casinos, if that's any help.

learn to mark cards.its a lot harder to prove in court.you get caught with a computer your done.

if they cath you with an outside device, you better get used to living with some guy that calls you "my bitch" for a few years :).

This just isn't true. There is not one documented case of anyone doing a day in jail for using a blackjack computer in Nevada.

I am not advocating using a computer, however the urban legends are a bit ridiculous.

For the record: felony in Nevada, misdemeanor in NJ, Europe will do nothing but confiscate and 86.

The notion that computers are only worthwhile in single deck is just plain wrong also.

A dealer advocating cheating...mmmmm
Marking cards harder to prove in court... wrong.
Computer or marking, your cooking alright, but when caught not only are you done but burned well done.

but if you have the balls to stick a computer on yourself you should just learn how to mark cards.its more profitable to know what the burn card is than punching in some complicated count with your toes.imo.

Wheelchair, I cannot access the New Jersey website right now so I cannot give the exact conditions. From my previous reading of the applicable law I remember that it can be a misdemeanor as you said, OR a felony. I do however remember thinking that from the sound of it anyone charged would pretty much be at the mercy of how the prosecutor wanted to proceed.

Just one note here too. I hope that everyone reading this realizes that a "misdemeanor" is still a crime. It will appear on your criminal record just as any other crime will. It is not a civil offense like a motor vehicle violation. Hit 'em hard, The Side

does anyone know the laws in the other states, and indian reservations, what about the casino cruises that go out

After reading MDBJ, I too was very interested in using a computer. The two websites I can remember looking at are

www.blackjack-player.com
www.casey-computer.com

I think these websites talk about exactly where it is legal or not. After reading those sites and posting here about it, I decided that using my head to count was a much better way to go. Besides the casey-computer costs $3,950 which is ridiculous.

Good Luck
Dominic

P.S. Check the sites out but with caution, I'm not sure if you can trust all of their information, especially what they tell you about your EV.

You can do your own research here;
http://www.prairienet.org/~scruffy/f.htm

Here are a couple links to articles of interest.
http://www.rge21.com/lib/bighouse.htm
http://www.rge21.com/lib/duffyii.htm

Word around the stables on the Florida law is that once the boats have steamed past the 7 mile (?) limit they fall under the 'High Seas' laws where the Captain has total control over everything. Also it is my understanding that the local authorities where these boats depart from are not too fond of the gambling boats and probably would not provide much support in the way of prosecution, if the violation was commited outside their territory. Take all this with caution and do your own research, after all it's your ass on the line. But if i was to do what you are thinking of doing, i would look at the floaters first starting with the cruise ships. The laws on these vessels are murky at best because the majority of them sail under foreign registries plus they operate under the high seas laws.

RB

Laws in other states: BJ computers are illegal
Laws in Indian reservations: BJ computers are illegal
Laws on Casino Cruises: BJ computers are illegal

The first rule about BJ computers is: they're illegal.
The second rule about BJ computers is: THEY'RE F***ING ILLEGAL!

They are not illegal to make or sell, but they're illegal to use in a gambling establishment.

You keep asking about legalities of hidden BJ computers. You appear too lazy to do your own research, even after you've been given guidance on where to check laws yourself.

just face the facts - any casino worth hitting already knows about these things, including the Indian casinos. You missed the boat by 15 years. The only way to use thEse computers now is by breaking the law.

Asking about them in a public forum is not a good move either. You are not as anonymous as you think you are.

If you're genuinely interested in Blackjack, forget about this illegal pursuit, and just use your biological computer (your brain) to learn a strong counting system.

>>> They are not illegal to make or sell, but they're illegal to use in a gambling establishment.

It is equally illegal to make or sell cheating devices in almost all the states that have gambling laws on the books. Since most states adopted the Nevada laws practically word for word, the easiest thing to do when researching these laws is to use Nevada as a benchmark.

>>> If you're genuinely interested in Blackjack, forget about this illegal pursuit, and just use your biological computer (your brain) to learn a strong counting system.

Good advice!!!

If you use a computer on a cruise ship:
Good news: Probably the worst they can do is throw you out
Bad news: It's a long swim back to shore. :-)

there are a good number of ways to mark the cards that are damn near undetectable...probably the best method is with lemon juice or similiar if table doesn't use a red discard rack IMHO of course...good luck

...but the play of the hand isn't. That is how they will catch you.

When you consider the time needed to toe-input each card, you can play enough extra hands per hour mentally to both make more money and have more certainty of winning, than you can with even perfect play with the Casey's

Under the best of conditions these computers can double your strategy gains, which would mean, at maximum, that (1d, DAS, .75 dealt 1 to 3) hi-lo would gain about 75% of the edge that Casey could. You are talking about .96 BE/.51 PE versus 1/1.

Now if you can play 1/.75 or 33% faster, you have made up for not having a Casey, in terms of profits.

If you can play SQR(.25) faster, or 50% faster, you can be more certain of winning, given equal time at the tables, than with Casey.

Similar comparisons come to mind with Thor versus mental shuffle-tracking.

Don't sprain your toes!!!!!!