Card Counting Spanish 21 vs. Card Counting Blackjack

Few blackjack players know how to play Spanish 21, fewer still also know how to card count Spanish 21. Those who know both Spanish 21 and blackjack will say that one can easily expand their knowledge of blackjack deviations by applying the important deviation indices for Spanish 21 to blackjack, and vice versa.

A Spanish deck in fact starts out with a -4.33 true count if seen as a regular blackjack deck. Thus, by knowing Spanish 21 card counting, one may still find a winning path even in the deep negative TC territory.

Take the hand of 10 vs. 8 for example. An ordinary blackjack card counter may say: "Double, no doubt!"  But a masterful blackjack card counter who knows the 100 or so FULL blackjack deviation indices may say: "Just hit, since the TC is so negative."

Any knowledgeable Spanish 21 card counter would say the index for 10 vs. 8 is ONE OF THE MOST IMPORTANT DEVIATION INDEX TO BE REMEMBERED in Spanish 21. With AceMT, the index for 10 vs. 8 in Spanish 21 happens to be ZERO. Just by learning a few more important AceMT Spanish 21 like that, and applying them also to blackjack, you can cover a lot of lost ground totally given up by most blackjack counters.

You haven’t addressed my last post. Let me bring it up. You say “the player may consult with a blackjack book having indices at the deep negative territory. ”  This is off. Blackjack and Spanish 21 have different rules, especially on this part: player hand of 21 always wins in Spanish 21, but may push or lose in Blackjack. This little rule difference causes a large deviation of deviation indices. 

Above all, learning the basic strategy full well -- at least a simplified version -- is a must.  After that, once you have picked a workable method for counting method for Spanish 21, everything else like money management and deviations should flow naturally if you already know basic blackjack card counting.    You may even find card counting Spanish 21 in casino is much easier than card counting blackjack because there is almost no need for camouflage as of today in most casinos.

But different authors may have different basic strategies. Consider this hand of 14 vs. 4 as an example. If it’s a two-card hand, player may hit; if it’s a three-card hand, player may stand. When the true count is low, player may hit; when the true count is high, player may stand. So what is the basic strategy here? 

4, 5 or 6 cards already?  Learned the version without considering hand-compositions first.  From then on, everyone's different memory capacity would set a different limit.

I don’t know this is a humor or joke, but keep the conversation going. This site could have died without OP posting

For 14 vs. 4, if the two player cards consist of a 6 and an 8, player should hit. For a card counter, player should stand at a higher true count, but hit at a lower true count.  How to determine this criterion? What does Walker say in her book?

Unless it is 7-7-7 or 6-7-8 possibility, I wouldn't change hit or stand for any 2 or 3-card combinations.

Keep it short. What would you do if you hold a 6 and an 8 against the dealer 4?  Imagine you are a card counter. 

How much I had bet?

I heavily depends on Gronbog for this kind of strategy decisions. If possible, could you please look into Walker’s Spanish 21 book to find what she says about this? 

Do you or do you not have Katarina's book? What in God's name is wrong with the two of you? READ, for Christ's sake. STAND on the goddamn hand. What is this discussion about?? Walker lists the BS as STAND because that's the fucking correct play. Will you STOP already? This is what got you kicked off of one forum permanently. Now, you're trying to destroy this one too? You're thisclose to being thrown off of this one also. You're pathological.

Last warning.

Don

Your message is well received. I will refrain from posting garbage. 

Don, they are wannabel players,incapable of profits at any form of 21.

They'd be better served adding 2 of your best

publications BJ ATTACK and most recent thoroughness of HI LO to their empy library.!

How about you say something innovative to keep this site alive? As far as I can tell, you could not even correctly spell Don’s name, but you repeated the same line over the last three or so years. 

You are not the savior of this site. If I have my choice between seeing it die (and I helped found it with Stanford Wong) or seeing you post drivel in order to "keep it alive," the choice is an easy one. Stop posting just to hear yourself speak ... nonsense.

Don