BLACKJACK COMPUTERS

HI Folks

After spending 19 years developing roulette computers successfully, I was contemplating incorporating a blackjack program on the same computer, this will disguise computer roulette play to some degree!

Basically collecting off both!

I wondered if anyone has got the exact gain pertaining to number of decks used, what is the mathematical maximum gain, and what data would have to be known?

Heres some of my mathematics relating to computer ballistic approach, although the graphs are missing, just to show I am not a time waster and know a litte bit of maths:-)

Although without any Graphs, the mathematics may be even more difficult to comprehend, you can email for the associated Graphs!

The following mathematics deals with the X,Y and Z axis within the confines of a Roulette Wheel enviroment.

Y axis�N1�*COS(a)-(mg)*COS(a)=0

X axis�N2�+�N1�*SIN(a)+�mg�*sin(@)*COS(Y)=m*�@ centre)=m*V^2/R=m*[Y')^2]*R

V=Linear Velocity
R=Ball Track Radius
@=Centripedal acceleration

Z axis�Ffr�+�Air Drag�=m*�@tan�=m*Y''*R

Friction Force a This is negative as it is opposing the Z axis

Air Drag is the force that is equal too:

�Air Drag�= - 0.5*CD*P*TT*r^2*V^2 (TT is pie) this is also a minus value!

CD is Drag Coefficiaent
P is AIr density
r is the balls Radius

Z axis is always tangentially directed.

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After some very simple Algerbraic Transformation and incorporating the above formulas we get the next differential equation:

Y''=(a+air*R)*(Y')^2=b*SIN(Y)+c*COS(Y)+d

Where

a is the determining friction factor(Ie 0.004)

Air =-[0.5*CD*P*TT*r^2*V^2]/m

b=a*g*SIN(@)/R

c=b/a

d=a.g.COS(@)SIN(a)+1)/(R.COS(@)

The ball movement sters to this equation only till the moment when it loses the contact with the vertical side of the ball track or:

[N2]=0

So the Drop off condition is:

[(Y')^2]*R+g*COS(@)*tg(a)-g*SIN(@)*COS(Y)=0

Now lets introduce some real values into the equations and see the predicted results:

TT=3.14
g=9.807
R=0.4
a=16.7.TT/180 inner slope of stator
CD=0.47
r=0.5.21.10^-3 Radius of ball
P=1.22
m=9.10^-3 Mass of Ball
(a)= 0.004 Friction factor for rolling between the ball and the track
@=0.8 grad Tilt Angle

t0= 0 sec
t1=30 seconds

These values determin the time interval of 30 sec since the start of spinning!

I also calcualted the time the ball loses contact with the vertical wall of the ball track, this is when ** becomes true!

Time till drop off is 17.04 seconds

By this time the ball passes 4935 Grad or 13.7 revolutions from start point!

At this moment the ball has a velocity of 2.7 Rads/Sec or 0.43 Revs per/Sec!

The system returns around a 1 in 18 success rate, placing just one chip per spin on one number, this is on most roulette wheels!

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Hope someone can help, may do a trade witrh someone, supply them a copy of the program in return for a decent Blackjack program:-)

Hope to here from someone soon!

mark AT predictroulette.com

Kind regards

Mark Howe

in conjunction with golden speed count craps. Roulette computers work only if you have a dealer who fails to follow proper procedure. Want to know what the first roulette computer was? A fat guy leaning on the table near the wheel head. Any body remember that one?
JWP

Hi John

Roulette computers work no matter who is spinning them, if the wheel is tilted or level, the croupiers do not have to make any mistake, they simply are just doing their job! Even the variations of speed do not affect the prediction, balls and roulette wheels still decelerate at a measurable amount that can be monitored and used to predict further outcomes!

Within every casino, you can without doubt always find a roulette wheel that can be beat quite easily, no matter how new the wheel is, who spins the wheel, or how fast the rotor or ball is traveling!

The physical properties can not be influenced by the Croupier, even if they spin in a block or sector, the computer calculates this using Newtonian Mechanics, in the pure sense, that it actually measures the exact deceleration from actual timings!

Its also very rare, if at all nowdays, you will find a table that you can tilt by leaning on it, although I have seen this done many years ago on the steep banked wheels where there was little scatter!

Learning on the new wheels would not work either, new wheels produce a greater spread of scatter, which a roulette computer can analysis and take advantage of!

Regards

Mark. .

The system returns around a 1 in 18 success rate, placing just one chip per spin on one number, this is on most roulette wheels!

The rest of your post is interesting, but this is a bit misleading. Roulette prediction is extremely sensitive to initial conditions. Further, 1 in 18 is a best case scenario. On some wheels, you won't even have an edge.
Given that you use such a device, you would be insane to bet on a single number. The benefits of diversification in terms of growing your bankroll are gargantuan.

Each spin is an independent trial. Agree? So you have to input this info, make adjustments based on deflection by the frets, input this info, pick 1 of 18 numbers and get your bet down before the wave off. I'm not saying it is impossible but thats like saying I have a 1 in a million chance to date hillary clinton. I theoretically have a shot but I'm not counting on it. (Thats right hillary, love women with power) Back to roulette; now you can bias, gaff, cheat, temporarily imbalance (fat man move), etc. a wheel. You can find exploitable conditions even. But remember it is illegal in most (as vague as the laws are) US jurisdictions to use a device to predict the outcome of a game. Good Luck and get a (gulp) lawyer.
JWP

HI again

I dont have to sell myself in what I claim, I invite people to come and view for themselves, this backs up my claims simply and swiftly!

All I ask in your replies is that possibly show some evidence to back up your claims either mathematically or possibly some other means, its a little weak to argue a point with no sunstantial facts! I dont wish to appear rude, but below are facts that you can test yourself plus an invite to come and view yourself that is possible to beat roulette with a pocket computer. I not one for taking peoples opinions to heart!

Firstly, its actually LEGAL in most parts of the world, not illegal!
It was made illegal in the state of Nevada in the 1980's, which also covers the state of NJ now, and one other state! Considering that all the rest of the states do not come under these Laws, its not illegal in the majority of places in the US! The Law was only passed originally because he gaming Board had so much weight with the state of Nevada, seen as it is the states main source of income!

thats not exactly a majority now is it!

Then there is the rest of the world to play in!

It may be casino policy not to allow the use of such devices if it was known to them, but seriously, how many casinos have you being in where there is a message board to that effect outside the above states mentioned!

Back to roulette prediction, once the balls physical properties are known, and the rotor, all you need to do is record say 50 spins, that is directly enter the offset from the prediction, its then damm impossible not to gain any less than 1 in 18!

Ifyou have a wheel, and can predict in just one half of it 100% of the time, you would not need to cover the whole of the wheel sector by placing chips on every number on half of the wheel, you could simply place a chip on just one number, you would hit 1 in 18 on average!

My roulette system does not work in that way, but I have giving you food for thought here!

The gaussian distribution formed by the scatter of a roulette ball striking a rotor has definate charactistics that can be produced and will repeat, all you have to do is study this from a few nights play!

Using Newtonian Mechanics, you can detect the wheel is level or tilted, and have an exact strike rate of around 70%!

Now, a little excersise, before you reply, go to the casino and take some data back home with you.

Write down the strike number that the ball first strikes, then the final number ajacent to it.

After say 200 numbers, fill in a histogram of the scatter of the strike point.

Make a table that is 38 horizontally and say 1o squares high!

Make one of the central lying squares, the strike point, say the 19th square along from ther left.

NOw go through your information from the casino, the strike point is always the first number, the second number is the distance the ball finished up from the strike point.

After 20o numbers, you will have a gaussian distribution of the particular wheel you have being playing.

Although you may have an above average hit rate around the strike point, you will notice a hump that falls ourside a normal standard deviation. This could be +9 numbers from the strike point, but is unique to the ball and wheel used!

Now knowing this, and knowing you can predict the strike point using mathematics to quite an accurate degree, go in the following night!#

Record 200 numbers again, you will have exactly the same offset and hump, with a graph that will resemble the graph of the previous night, even though there is errors in timings on a computer, this still holds true!

This is the real signature of the roulette wheel. Different sized balls do give different scatter patterns though, but this is no problem, once you know them all you just change the offset to suit!

Also the data you take must be for both directions, the computer I have can take in data for both directions and forms to scatter diagrams on screen to later take info from. So only form one grapg for Clockwise spun balls, and one graph for anti-Clockwise spun balls!

You will clearly see that if you then take the highest peak in the hump, then this would be the point that the computer would be betting at(eg. +9 would be added to the final prediction. Take the total number of spins(200) and divide this by your highest column, you will see that you will have a hit rate of better than 1 in 18 on average!

But with the odd bad timing, delays in getting the bet on, this comes out at around 1 in 18!

You only have to predict this high point and place a chip onm the highest column, placing a spread over a given sector only reduces your overall profit, as the graph is humped, the adjacent columns are lower than the highest one, so give a lower return, betting on a spread, say covering 7 numbers, collectively, would only reduce your success of 1 in 18 overall!

Please go and try this, on any wheel you like!

NOTE: if the ball travels 3 times around the wheel, you still enter the distance from the strike point to the final destination point, for this data is also important!

I am afraid that you have mre chance of winning with this system that sleeping with Hillary clinton, thats why I invite people to my home to view it first!

Kind regards

Mark

mark@predictroulette.com

PS I am really looking for some mathematics on Balckjack prediction:-)

Ball Size>

If any one wishes to view associated Graphs, then email me!

��Some secondary thoughts about the influence of the ball size on the real distance offset on the rotor.��

Let��s simplify the movement of the ball along the rotor pocketed surface to a simple moving of a body on which some braking or friction force acts. We can assume that the main part of this force is due to the Nx (the horizontal part of the vector {N}). {N}-reaction force from the pocket divider.
So, the braking force: Fbrk=k*Nx, k-is just secondary coefficient showing the proportional dependence between Nx and Fbrk.
Using general formulas for deceleration movement we get:

dS=-d(V^2)/(2* k*Nx/m)

after taking integrals:
S=V0^2/(2* k*Nx/m),

V0-initial relative velocity between the ball and the rotor when the ball enters the rotor,

S-distance which the ball manages to travel till it finds rest. (as we have simplified the situation so in real it would be the most frequent on average distance which determines the peak on the real distance offset histogram)

Nx=|{N}|*sin(Y), the more Y the more hitting energy redistribute in favor of horizontal braking of the ball.

R*cos(Y)=R-H gives cos(Y)= (R-H)/R and sin(Y)= (2*R*H-H^2)/R^2

Hence

S=V0^2/[2*(|{N}|/m)*(2*R*H-H^2)/R^2]

If we increase the ball radius R at given H(pocket divider height) then we see that the distance S will increase.
Say, we have two balls: 21mm and 18mm diameter. R=10,5mm and R=9mm

The height of the pocket divider is 5mm(as my wheel has). H=5mm

Then finding the relative change of the averaged travelled distance with changing the balls (leaving V0 and H unchanged) we obtain that the bigger ball travels about 9% farther than the smaller one.

I think it��s worth taking into account when we define the offsets��))

Regards

Mark ..

mark@predictroulette.com

The following are purchaser's accounts of the device upon first use in the majority of cases so you know what to expect from the system in general. In nearly all cases the system reported to have hit 1 in 18 on average!

Hello Mark
>Nice to hear from you again.
>First a couple of comments on your updates.
>A partial timing of the rotor would save a couple of seconds but I think the
>error
>would be too costly.As for deacceleration of the rotor, I used to incorporate
>this but
>cut it out of my setting up and assume a decent Huxley wheel shows a 1%
>falloff.
>ie Wheel revs=revs*.99.
>Ive noticed some disscussion on the net re. Lawrence Scott and his videos.
>I use this video for testing my software, and his method depends on the table
>being tilted .If we knew where the ball was going to fall off it would be too
>easy.
>My own developments are showing an advantage of 15-20% and if it continues for
>another 2 months I will get in touch and perhaps come up to Sheffield for an
>exchange of ideas.

>
>Keep well
>Best regards
>
>Barry

Hi Mark

Thank you for your letter. Due to my work i was unable to go the casino as
often as i want to test the system but this is going to be a change. As a
matter of fact i have decided to bring the Psion to test the system
tonight. There is no doubt in my mind the system is working with the tilted
wheel. The roulette wheels is branch new here so i have to set the equation
to LEVEL, I will report to you if i have any sucess with it later on.

Michael from Gothenberg had contacted me, we had a nice chat over the phone.
He and I have decided to go to London to play the system in one casino which
i frequented. I was using visual tracking then.

Best regards
Bruce

Hello Mark,

How is the work going on the program update using the Matrix? I had a good session at the casino yesterday with the Psion. Made several hundred dollars using only small betting units. The time spent taking data readings to build the 'scatter hump' is well worth it! It is amazing how the program builds a 'picture' of the wheel's signature scatter!

Well, that's all for now. Please let me know when the Matrix program version is done. Also, please feel free to send any other information. As you know by now, I always enjoy reading and studying any material/information you send.

Dan
Eudaemon

Mark,

Thanks for the e-mail. It will be great to get a copy of Basieux's book. I think it is a wise decision to release it to our group. It should generate ideas and feedback from group members beneficial to all of us!

Has work been completed on the program improvements (scatter hump identification and new wheel timing method)? I am eager to incorporate them in my Psion.

I am happy to report that I have finally made my first casino play with the Psion. It was successful (of course!). My winnings were relatively small, but I am thrilled with this success!!!

I am pursuing a new idea of implementing the system using an alternative to the Psion. I will report back in a few weeks on whether it has been successful.

Best always,

Dan

PS I have been reading your postings to Gamblers Glen . It is good to see that the tone of recent postings has turned positive. People FINALLY seem to be actually thinking about what you have to say.

Hi There Marky:-)))))))))))))))))))))))))

You are a genius, thought you had sold me a trick, even after you demostrating this to me live, thought the trip from LA was a waste of time,even thought you was some clever magician.

I could not get this program to work in the casino, 4 nights went by, then I realised that I had set the instructions up wrong. Was tempted to pay you a visit, thinking I was conned and all.

Read the instructions again, fifth night, bingo BOY!! It bloody works******

I set it up on a nice tilted wheel, I did not leave that table until I wanted the john, but 5 hours plus later, betting heavy, but winning exactly as stated 1 in 17( I think, to busy looking at the booty), I left the tables with $14,000 dollars. If I had not had a shot of Whisky first, I would not have coped with the pit boss starring at meLOLOLOLOLOL

How you gonna improve this system, it does not need improving, works BRILLIANTLY****

YOU ARE A HONEST CLEVER SCIENTIST, like something out of a film, man*****

My wife has offered to put you up the next time you come to out part of the world, maybe we can get out together, bring your wife!

By the way enjoyed talking to you very much, will keep you posted of my progress.

Edward ---------------------------

Hi Iouri

See below for reply in your email>

>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:10:30 +0400 (MSD)
>
>
>HI Mark!!!
>Today I have visited two casinos, in the first I have won $50, in the second $150,
>I played from 18-00 o'clock in the evening up to 6 o'clock in the morning, I very much am glad that have not lost:)))
>I was necessary to tell about problems with which has collided....
>1. The program has given failure, has written about a mistake (what I do not remember), I have reloaded a computer,
>And all became good, was not disconnected any more.. Write what code it is necessary to enter, about it it is written to instructions..
>I have noticed that the computer speaks very much frequently "17-18" why it is always identical?

Because if you count the numbers from Zero Clockwise ,number 17 is 8 numbers from Zero.

If you count 8 numbers from Zero, anti clockwise, you get the number 18.

So another would be 32-26, each 1 number clockwise, and 1 number anticlockwise.

You should only be betting on one of these numbers, if the ball is going clockwise, bet on 17, if it is going anti clcokwise, bet on 18!

The reason you have remembered this pair of numbers is that it is in normal order> 16,'17','18',19,20 etc
>2. I have attached a computer to a leg as pockets big at me are not present, at us hot and it is necessary to go
>In easy clothes to not cause suspicion. Tables with a roulette of people have not enough, and consequently I could not
>To collect 70 data (to not cause suspicion), I have collected 10-15 data and started to place chips,
>If I guessed number that the data did not collect while instructions of a computer became absolutely remote
>From the validity. If they became absolutely others that again entered the formula 2-3 times..
>As I understand collecting the data the main problem..
>I want to remove the latent videocamera (I now do her) a wheel of a roulette, and then on the monitor
>To bring all data how you think, correctly? And I have thought up the device which will remove the data with
>The monitor automatically..
>3. When you start to win that croupier very much frequently changes a sphere, and the data become unfit for use..
>The croupier very quickly starts a sphere but very slowly a rotor of a wheel, therefore the rate have not time to make,
>What to do? To wait good Spins? I played on the big sectors but if I played on neighbours, I could win
>It is a lot of, but if in one number I could win that of anything. Your way of game is necessary for me....!!!
>4. On a computer from above there is designation ACC-...., what it means?,
>And from below " Hit rate " that it means? At me ACC =-6.4567 when I trained at home, and in a casino

This means you had 6.45 seconds to place a bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>After I have left ACC = 1291.69356.....
Not sure about this, the ACC is ignored unless practicing at home, it is for home use only!

ACC is accuracy.

If you click the last click when the ball hits the rotor in play mode, instead of clicking this last click after the last rotor timing, the computer shows the difference of the predicted time of distance from the computers calcualtions, and the real time of distance from the actual timing, it still gives a result, but after the last click, so you can not use this in real play mode. It is there if you want to check how good you have set up equations, and how good you are at taking timings in play mode. If you have a roulette wheel at home, or video footage, then you can open the computer, and watch the difference in real time and predicted time in PLAY mode.

>5. Also I want to ask you to write what to do if the data you start to enter with a mistake as them to cancel,
>I know that I already asked, but I have not understood a little, I ask an apology.....
>How to cancel at all stages of pressing of the button.
>You cannot, if you have started to take timings, then you must finish that sequence by clicking in the rest of the clicks. Then what ever you are doing ,you must do this again to correct, especially in SET EQUATIONS

Practice making deliberate mistakes, if you do, go through the sequence!

THe computer says 'SET EQUATIONS', after you have just set them, in case you have done it wrong, if you click here by accident, the computer then says 'CONFIRM', you need to click again to confirm setting equations again. So yuo have to do two clicks to get in SET EQUATIONS, so it should be difficult to make a mistake!
>I am sorry for the English language, it is very difficult for me...
>In general I can congratulate you, the program really works!!!
>But to win money is very much not easy work, you become similar on zombi :))

SO you know that it is boring to play in the casino, because you have to play methodically, I know this ZOMBI FEELING WELL;-))))))))))

>At me still it is a lot of questions, but I while have forgotten them, I intoxicate by a victory!!!

SPeak to you soon Iouri, you can keep asking as many questions as you wish!

Speak to you soon,

regards MARK.

Hi Iouri

See below for reply in your email>

>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:10:30 +0400 (MSD)
>
>
>HI Mark!!!
>Today I have visited two casinos, in the first I have won $50, in the second $150,
>I played from 18-00 o'clock in the evening up to 6 o'clock in the morning, I very much am glad that have not lost:)))
>I was necessary to tell about problems with which has collided....
>1. The program has given failure, has written about a mistake (what I do not remember), I have reloaded a computer,
>And all became good, was not disconnected any more.. Write what code it is necessary to enter, about it it is written to instructions..
>I have noticed that the computer speaks very much frequently "17-18" why it is always identical?

Because if you count the numbers from Zero Clockwise ,number 17 is 8 numbers from Zero.

If you count 8 numbers from Zero, anti clockwise, you get the number 18.

So another would be 32-26, each 1 number clockwise, and 1 number anticlockwise.

You should only be betting on one of these numbers, if the ball is going clockwise, bet on 17, if it is going anti clcokwise, bet on 18!

The reason you have remembered this pair of numbers is that it is in normal order> 16,'17','18',19,20 etc
>2. I have attached a computer to a leg as pockets big at me are not present, at us hot and it is necessary to go
>In easy clothes to not cause suspicion. Tables with a roulette of people have not enough, and consequently I could not
>To collect 70 data (to not cause suspicion), I have collected 10-15 data and started to place chips,
>If I guessed number that the data did not collect while instructions of a computer became absolutely remote
>From the validity. If they became absolutely others that again entered the formula 2-3 times..
>As I understand collecting the data the main problem..
>I want to remove the latent videocamera (I now do her) a wheel of a roulette, and then on the monitor
>To bring all data how you think, correctly? And I have thought up the device which will remove the data with
>The monitor automatically..
>3. When you start to win that croupier very much frequently changes a sphere, and the data become unfit for use..
>The croupier very quickly starts a sphere but very slowly a rotor of a wheel, therefore the rate have not time to make,
>What to do? To wait good Spins? I played on the big sectors but if I played on neighbours, I could win
>It is a lot of, but if in one number I could win that of anything. Your way of game is necessary for me....!!!
>4. On a computer from above there is designation ACC-...., what it means?,
>And from below " Hit rate " that it means? At me ACC =-6.4567 when I trained at home, and in a casino

This means you had 6.45 seconds to place a bet!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>After I have left ACC = 1291.69356.....
Not sure about this, the ACC is ignored unless practicing at home, it is for home use only!

ACC is accuracy.

If you click the last click when the ball hits the rotor in play mode, instead of clicking this last click after the last rotor timing, the computer shows the difference of the predicted time of distance from the computers calcualtions, and the real time of distance from the actual timing, it still gives a result, but after the last click, so you can not use this in real play mode. It is there if you want to check how good you have set up equations, and how good you are at taking timings in play mode. If you have a roulette wheel at home, or video footage, then you can open the computer, and watch the difference in real time and predicted time in PLAY mode.

>5. Also I want to ask you to write what to do if the data you start to enter with a mistake as them to cancel,
>I know that I already asked, but I have not understood a little, I ask an apology.....
>How to cancel at all stages of pressing of the button.
>You cannot, if you have started to take timings, then you must finish that sequence by clicking in the rest of the clicks. Then what ever you are doing ,you must do this again to correct, especially in SET EQUATIONS

Practice making deliberate mistakes, if you do, go through the sequence!

THe computer says 'SET EQUATIONS', after you have just set them, in case you have done it wrong, if you click here by accident, the computer then says 'CONFIRM', you need to click again to confirm setting equations again. So yuo have to do two clicks to get in SET EQUATIONS, so it should be difficult to make a mistake!
>I am sorry for the English language, it is very difficult for me...
>In general I can congratulate you, the program really works!!!
>But to win money is very much not easy work, you become similar on zombi :))

SO you know that it is boring to play in the casino, because you have to play methodically, I know this ZOMBI FEELING WELL;-))))))))))

>At me still it is a lot of questions, but I while have forgotten them, I intoxicate by a victory!!!

SPeak to you soon Iouri, you can keep asking as many questions as you wish!

Speak to you soon,

regards MARK.

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Hi Mark!!
Again I speak about you that you the genius, have developed the ingenious
formula!
I express you the respect!!!
Today at night I again have visited a casino, I have won $ 100 played on minimal
To the rates, when I shall collect necessary bank I shall play with the large
money..
This time computer spoke practically precisely number, dropped out
The next number.. It is a pity that the results of input of the formula cannot
be kept
On a disk of the computer.
I want to wish to you successes in work!!

>Hi Iouri
>
>See below for reply in your email>
>
>
>>Date: Wed, 16 Jul 2003 06:10:30 +0400 (MSD)
>>

Hi Max

A happy Christmas and New year to you too!

See below for my replies!

I would also like to ask if you would be willing to publish on my message board with emails such as this, I will let you remain anonymous if you wish! Its just that some of the people out there who have purchased the system could do with some encouragement with emails such as this, it might also prove to be to your benefit, one of the guys is knocking out some CD's with some footage on it, may be helpful for future timing practice, something I have got to get round to doing at some stage! Another one of the guys has some excellent contact with SMD surface mount technology companies and has works in R&D at the University. He is talking of doing a joint venture and using lasers to measure the speed of the rotor and the ball and putting all the package into some very small hand held device.

I have thought of doing this already, but in my device ( The size of a cigarette lighter) you would have one button on one side to take timings, another pad on the other side that would be a braile pad, this can transmit the number to you by braile! so no transmitters would be needed! Also the device would have a built in vibration unit in it, to let you know when to change the timings! I can do this, but need a small micro controller that can support Floating point arithematic, otherwise it get complex, see the link below>

http://www.embedded.com/98

The group is at> but not anyone who is winning constantly has come forward to post?

See highlighted response below>

kind regards

Mark Anthony Howe esq.
>From: Max
>Reply-To: Max
>To: "mark anthony"
>Subject: You program is working :-)
>Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2003 15:06:50 +0200
>
>Hello Mark,
>
>Marry Christmas and Happy New Year. I am happy to let you know that I
>really have a progress with your program. I won back costs of the
>computer and even tripled that investment.
>
>Though I can get constant wins only playing against wheels where ball
>scatters not much from the hit point. I found that it is very
>important to find right wheel to play with, since the least the
>scatter - the higher payout. I found couple of such tables in Ukraine
>during my business trip. There are I made most of the money. These are
>produced by Huxley, but they are different because of the high blades
>dividing pockets with numbers on the wheel. Because of these blades
>the ball do not have enough power to jump over them, so the ball
>stayed in +/- 7 numbers from the predicted one, with 5 direct hits
>during an hour. What a pleasure to play with these wheels.
>
>Also I visited one of the eastern European country located nearby
>Ukraine, and found that their largest casino group (they have about 15
>casinos around the country) uses such type of the wheel. The scatter
>is higher but still predictions on these wheels are much better then
>for the usual type of the wheel. I played only 3 hours with low stakes
>but managed to win more then USD 1000 there. So, do you think it can
>be a good idea to find free to play there together? You can win a lot
>on this wheel, and I can get very valuable experience from your play.
>And, again, this is not Russia or Ukraine; this is European country
>with a good services and conditions.
>
I would love to Max, but a little difficult at the present time, my partner is expecting twins, due in feb, so things are a little hectic here for the moment, me doing the shopping and cleaning as well as my own work! But we will get together sometime, I am sure!>Unfortunately such wheels are very rare here, so usually we have to
>play against wheels with high scatters. But haven't you ever
>considered trying to calculate second peak that you sometime mentioned
>in our correspondence? Will it be possible to calculate expected
>disposition from the hit point for each spin? Will you be better off
>betting second number calculated as a second peak? Or it is just not
>possible to find this number? I would think that speed of the rotor;
>weight and size of the ball are the most important factors defining
>how far the ball might go from the predicted number, while speed of
>the ball falling to the rotor shall be more or less constant. Do you
>think it is possible to find equation for calculation of this
>disposition? You don't need too Max, its simple really, your graph of the high point was good, but if you now make one for the hit position and final position first, before you start even using the program, you will be able to see after about 150 spins ,where these second high points are! Then you can add this value, say + 12, this is usually the number on my Huxley wheel, you can bet at the hit point, and also at this second high point! This can be added into the program manually, or by just clicking the value in! You will soon see the signature of the wheel, this signature ususally represents all of the same types of wheels, the only discretion been where the diamonds are slightly in a different place at the high point! So in other words, it is better to get each individual signature of each new wheel you play on!
>
>Regarding your program: I have made following improvements of the
>interface:
>
>1) set equation by pressing button after hearing "ready" and holding
>it until first beep: So you can set equation when you want to. rather
>then listening question after each spin. I found that it is more
>convenient.
>2) I added basic check of the timing for equation: since ball is
>decelerating, T1 < T2 < T3 < T4 etc. So when following timing is less
>then preceding, it informs about error. Do you think this simple check
>can be useful?
>3) For stupid dealers who tend to change ball very often I decided to
>add function of switching the ball. Usually they change the ball when
>you start winning (and you start winning because you finally got the
>right equation, which you do not want to loose). When dealer changes
>the ball, you just need to press button after hearing "ready" and hold
>until second beep, and then input number from 1 to 4 (you can assign
>up to 4 balls). So, all the data for this ball will be loaded from
>files, also these data for the current ball number will be saved
>automatically after setting equation. When you start - current ball is
>number one, and you can change it during play.
> You are definately a better programmer than me Max!
>But here I need you help: if you look at the procedure of saving and
>loading data for the ball (saveB and loadB) you will see that I am
>saving all the globals, this is because I do not know exactly what
>variables are calculated in setEquat used in calculation for
>prediction. So, could you, please, advice me what variables I need to
>save for the ball, in order to optimize the code. Here I need your
>help, Mark, could you please clarify the list of variables that are
>defined in the sub setequat and are used for calculation of the
>prediction in sub use? Until then on order to avoid mistakes I am
>saving all the globals, which is obviously not required.
> You only need to save the following variables !

AX(7),BX(7),CX(7), AX(14),BX(14),CX(14)

>---------------------------------------------------------
>Also, could you please, explain me how to calculate deceleration of
>the rotor and use it in the formula? (or even better if you send me
>the code I need to add to the program). I would like to add this to
>the program to see if it may improve efficiency of predictions. I have
>already done one step implementing procedures saveW and loadW that
>save properties of the wheel in the file ROUL\wheel.odb, there I am
>going to save data regarding deceleration of the particular wheel.
>Then this file can be copied somewhere and used when you play against
>this wheel. Do you think it is a good idea?
> Yes, you can't get more accurate than saving the exact data, but I will be redoing the equation that sets up the deceleration on each new wheel of play, Cannot find the bloody code for this, will have to do it again!

But the formula for the wheel distance is incorporated with the time of the distance to produce the number of revs the wheel will have done in any given TOD time of distance!

Here it is>

Found the little program for you, although I have some better maths for this that I can send at a later date>

Proc WHFORM

global a,b,c,d,e

do

print: "Time of 1 rev=", :input a

print:"Time of distance=", :input b

c+(b/a)

d=(2680.0/((b/1000.0)*(a/100.0)))

e=(c-(c/d))

e=((int(e*10000.0))/10000.0)

print " No of Revs=",e

until 0

endp

>I am enclosing latest version of your program for your consideration.
>Please let me know your comments regarding these improvements.
> Well everything looks fine, but currently cannot run it, run out of Psions at present!

Nice to hear you have it up and running, you have done the best out of alot of people and grasped the concept and understanding the best!

Look forward to hearing from you soon

>I look forward to hearing from your and remain,
>
>Sincerely yours,
>Max

"mark anthony" <markanthony18@hotmail.com>

Subject :
Re: Hope you are well!

Date :
Fri, 8 Aug 2003 01:13:40 +0300

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Hello Mark,

How are you? Thanks for your e-mails and phone calls. I have just
looked at your files with mathematics, that you have sent on 13th of
June. I did not have time to analyze it, but it looks very impressive.

First off all, please, accept my appologies for not replying on your
e-mails. I was unable to reply, because on the way from my last trip
to Kiev I was involved into traffic accident, and suffered from it. My
car has been crashed and I, myself, got into hospital with broken leg
and concussions. So for time being I had to forget about internet, as
I was in hospital that even does not have proper telephone lines.

But good news is that I was able to win about USD 7000 during that
trip (as appeared just to cover damages from the accident :-(((). I
used my new version of the program. And despite that my notebook has
been lost in that accident, I was able to save this version on SSD. If
you are interested, I can mail you this version tommorow.

Also, Dmitry from Moscow contacted me by e-mail. He also called me
home, but I was not able to talk to him, because I was in hospital at
that time. Now he is on holidays in Crimea.

Do you have any progress with implementation of the math that you have
presented? I will be very interested to hear any news about your work.

I look forward to hearing from your.

--
Best regards,
Max

I have wrote the program for Sandor's laser sensors, to measure
timing of the ball and rotor with time resolution less then a
microsecond, the results for different balls are attached. I found
very interesting pattern in ball timings. Look at the following

For example look at one of the spins:

Ball timing: Delta T (A) Delta Delta T (C)

T (T') (T'')
5892750
6469081 0.910909911
7139709 0.906070682 1.005340896
7901820 0.903552473 1.002787009
8785062 0.899460926 1.004548888
9766355 0.899523108 0.999930872
10955749 0.891436542 1.009071387
12415708 0.882410331 1.010229041

So, let consider T as a nominal velocity of the ball (the real
velocity is 1/T - but then we would have to operate with values less
then zero which is not very convenient). Since second column is the
differences in velocity, then it estimate ball's deceleration, and
finally the last column is the difference in decelerations. We can see
that the last column is almost constant. So, we can use formula
a = C*t for calculation of balls deceleration. Let's take an average
of our third column, that is equal to 1.005318016. And let's take
timing of the first two spins, that have difference 0.910909911,
so our predicted deceleration and timings (or velocity of the ball
will be) for each spin will be:

PREDICTED PREDICTED

T' T
0.910909911
0.906091304 7139546.505 (lap 3)
0.901298186 7921583.68 (lap 4)
0.896530423 8813777.867 (lap 5)
0.891787881 9851066.812 (lap 6)
0.887070427 11009672.63 (lap 7)
0.882377927 12416163.94 (lap 8)

If you look above at real timings, then you will see that it only differs
(by not much) in 3 number (less then one percent). Considering
resolution of our timer of less then micro second, this means that
predicted timing differs from real in 10-20 millisecond. That is for
last lap of the ball (when it has not very high speed) not a big error
in terms of distance. This will be less the 10 milliliters in terms of
predicted distance.

Unfortunately it looks like T'' (our C) is differs from spin to spin.
I assume that this is because of fluctuation in temperature and
humidity, occasional dust on the rim of the wheel, moister and
temperature that the ball gets from fingers of croupier, different
spinnings, and trajectory path of the ball on the rim. But
fortunately all those factors alters value of T'' by not much, so we
can take Average value and be very good at prediction of the ball
timings and velocity. For example for next spin value of T'' was
1.007251546. But still if we would have taken C'' from our previous
spin (which is 1.005318016) we have

REAL PREDICTED REAL PREDICTED
T T T'' T''
5216705
5804232 0.8987761
6443835 6492272.099 0.900741872 0.894021679
7186639 7246024.978 0.896640975 0.889292408
7983228 8124276.779 0.90021718 0.884588154
8951649 9072790.42 0.891816469 0.879908786
10073757 10227485.12 0.888610774 0.87525417
11433659 11570729.67 0.881061522 0.870624177

So, again very close! Now, If we can calculate velocity at a given
point of time, then we also get velocity for a given distance. Next
what we need to do is when ball would reach critical velocity, i.e.
when vector of ball's kinetic energy (equal to mv^2 according to
Einstein :-) will be less the vector of g. Since we do know know
balls mass, but we can get this figure from previous spins. If we
enter total distance the ball has passed, we can easily calculate
velocity at time of drop.

This pattern exist for all balls, for following examples from other
ball's timings:

for 19 mm Ivory ball:
Average T'' = 1.003211369, so we have:

REAL REAL REAL PREDICTED PREDICTED
TIME DECELERATION T'' TIME DECELER

4966126
5393023 0.920842726
5858244 0.920586954 1.000277836 5875424.579 0.917895027
6374386 0.91902875 1.00169549 6384032.443 0.917640073
6991847 0.911688428 1.00805135 6958276.877 0.916086858
7654060 0.913482126 0.998036417 7693747.319 0.908770032
8438572 0.907032612 1.007110565 8405900.664 0.910557988
9291862 0.908168029 0.998749772 9333370.44 0.90412912
10318997 0.900461741 1.008558152 10264291.73 0.905260903
11551017 0.893340993 1.007970917 11496474.13 0.897579283

If you look at column 1 and 4 difference at the last lap is 54542 or
about less then 0.5 % and less then 10 miliseconds.

Lets take our average T'' = 1.003211369 and apply to the next spin:

REAL REAL REAL PREDICTED PREDICTED
TIME DECELERATION T'' TIME DECELER

5887929 1.003211369
6434775 0.915017075
7063647 0.910970636 1.004441899 7054993.409 0.912088024
7742762 0.912290343 0.998553413 7778879.686 0.908054538
8519499 0.908828324 1.003809321 8514424.08 0.909370021
9391454 0.907154419 1.001845226 9404260.435 0.905919084
10497122 0.894669415 1.01395488 10385898.17 0.904250537
11744901 0.893759939 1.001017584 11770640.59 0.891805499

Now we see the difference is 25739 (less then 0,25 %or less then 3
ms). Almost perfect!

The same is with the 21 mm Ivory Ball:
Average T'' = 1.002997235, so we have:

REAL REAL REAL PREDICTED PREDICTED
TIME DECELERATION T'' TIME DECELER

5161444
5548179 0.930295147
5976586 0.928319111 1.002128618 5981766.335 0.927515167
6459319 0.925265651 1.00330009 6457369.197 0.925545035
7001055 0.922620805 1.002866666 7001966.502 0.9225007
7574556 0.924285859 0.998198551 7610969.497 0.919863758
8279760 0.914827966 1.010338439 8219598.565 0.921523836
9040451 0.915856963 0.998876465 9077746.518 0.912094206
9940706 0.909437519 1.007058698 9900615.178 0.913120128
10963161 0.906737208 1.002978052 10963370.68 0.906719867
12105647 0.905623714 1.001229533 12127019.89 0.904027626

Now take above calculated T'' = 1.002997235, and apply to next spin:

REAL REAL REAL PREDICTED PREDICTED
TIME DECELERATION T'' TIME DECELER

5335085
5723343 0.932162374
6150993 0.93047464 1.001813842 6158258.861 0.929376814
6632784 0.927362176 1.003356256 6630410.654 0.927694124
7164881 0.925735403 1.001757276 7173749.572 0.92459096
7749789 0.924525945 1.001308192 7762861.619 0.922969048
8493222 0.912467495 1.013215211 8407570.362 0.921763205
9099631 0.933358946 0.977616916 9335870.295 0.909740788
10021759 0.90798741 1.027942608 9778558.149 0.93056981
10991452 0.911777534 0.995843148 11070414.03 0.905274091
12124065 0.906581415 1.005731553 12091102.87 0.909052889

Again we have very close predictions, so I would assume that this
pattern exist for all balls!

The difference only is in T''. So, considering a = C*t,
then since velocity is v = v0 + a*t => v0 + C*(t^2)
then distance is S = v*t + 0.5* a* t^2
==> S = v0*t + C*(t^3) + 0.5*C*(t^3)
==> S = 1.5*C*(t^3) + v0*t
Thus balls distance equation is 3d degree polynomial, where C =
T''(mentioned above). And balls acceleration is liner.

I am very interested to know your comments about this statistics.

--
Sincerely yours,

Hi there

I am hoping someone can help me with a program, or the mathematics to design a Blackjack program to place on my roulette computer. I can just start from scratch, but surely there must be someone on here that has something already written?

Hope someone can help!

Kind regards

Mark

mark@predictroulette.com

OK OK so you've done your math... Now get caught with that thing by the russians, czechs, italians and some london casino owners and there won't be enough left of you to scrape off the floor. So here is a tip, everybody has a tell, everybody gets caught eventually (except Dustin D. Marks of course). As for your BJ computer if you have never heard of BJ computer play then I doubt the veracity of your claims about roulette. How can you do roulette and know nothing about BJ? How long have been or were you locked up? Schemes like yours get people in big time trouble. Did you tell that to Heinz from Dresden? or Nigel from London? Ziggie from Copenhagen? Hope your selling the number of a good solicitor to the guys and a doctor (plastic surgeon should do the trick) plus a bail bondsman would be nice. You should hook up with the grifter he should be getting out soon. You are very smart, no? Start lifting weights now, you'll need to be buff inside. Graphs and Newtonian theory will come in handy when your bent over a laundry cart. Buy soap on a rope too it will save you from "exposing" your "tell".

Firstly, its actually LEGAL in most parts of the world, not illegal!
It was made illegal in the state of Nevada in the 1980's, which also covers the state of NJ now, and one other state! Considering that all the rest of the states do not come under these Laws, its not illegal in the majority of places in the US! The Law was only passed originally because he gaming Board had so much weight with the state of Nevada, seen as it is the states main source of income!

thats not exactly a majority now is it!

Then there is the rest of the world to play in!

You need to consult a legal expert on this. In most places without a device law, you can be prosecuted under a fraud analogue if you were caught with a device. The absence of a specific device law is not neccessarily a good thing - in parts of Old Europe (eg Monaco) no device law exists because the casino can simply have you arrested for not liking your face. They don't need to trump up a charge. The legal situation in the Indian casinos isn't much better.

It may be casino policy not to allow the use of such devices if it was known to them, but seriously, how many casinos have you being in where there is a message board to that effect outside the above states mentioned!

Its kind of difficult to argue that point with security guards.

I don't really have time to check out your devices, so I'll accept you are acting in good faith for the moment. I would urge people to thoroughly test-drive these devices against regulation equipment before parting with any cash.

but it is not for sale. WHY? Because it actually works.

He talks to himselfs (answering his own posts).
He is investing all his energy and brain power in projects which are completely out of touch with reality.
He takes his findings which are based on wrong assumptions of reality as reality itself.
Do you need more evidence that this man,Mark Howe, is ready for the nut house?

Francis Salmon

I wanted to see if he would take the bait on my blackjack program that is not for sale.

Hi John

Its turned out now that I do know what I am talking about, and this can no longer be knocked, now you seem to accept it works, but decide to further tyre kicking on the "What happens if I get caught sydrome"

Now John, the question I pose to you is, if the system has as much chance of working as you having a date with hillary Clinton, then why worry about being caught with the same device?

Johns former post from above>
Each spin is an independent trial. Agree? So you have to input this info, make adjustments based on deflection by the frets, input this info, pick 1 of 18 numbers and get your bet down before the wave off. I'm not saying it is impossible but thats like saying I have a 1 in a million chance to date hillary clinton. I theoretically have a shot but I'm not counting on it. (Thats right hillary, love women with power) Back to roulette; now you can bias, gaff, cheat, temporarily imbalance (fat man move), etc. a wheel. You can find exploitable conditions even. But remember it is illegal in most (as vague as the laws are) US jurisdictions to use a device to predict the outcome of a game. Good Luck and get a (gulp) lawyer.
JWP

---------------------------

YOu seem to be making a point about something which you clearly know nothing about, and because I have presented Facts and figures that you cannot possibly grasp, you have resorted to flaming, which is a little sad really!

I think I do not have to go into too much detail of why your prose lacks substance and strength, suffice to say that after a while, most people get tired of Tyre Kickers and just ignore their comments totally!

I think John that you should stay away from the films like 'Casino', Tarantino, coppella type films, they certainly cloud your judgement with the real world!

For example, name me one casino in the UK, an article even, where a punter has has a severe hiding for using a roulette computer, you simply can't, maybe in the states where you are based, you have an account wheresomeone was really duffed over or went to prison outside the state of Nevada or NJ, it could be suggested that you are possible casino staff who already know about my device, who knows, the truth is, that you simply are forwarding contrued, conjectured info back in reprisal to me presenting the facts above!

YOur toes must be seriously hurnting by now, are do you wear steel capped boots when you sit at the PC and relinquish your hate on the world through message boards becase you were possibly bullied at school. Funny really, I seem to have hit your level of conjecture, although it will be apparent by now to the majority of the board, which is the atute logical deduction and which saddness!

When people publically allow there pride to get in the way on a message board, their real character always comes shinning through !

Carry on the good work John, you are truely an amazing knowledgable person, we could all learn something from your attacks and quick change of thought with no evidence to support it whatsoever!

Take a look at your posts John, please!

Regards

Mark Howe

OH!

Another tyre kicker!

Mark. .

Hi John

You could take a walk, apart that your toes hurt so much from the tyre kicking, oh well!

YOu are a seriously funny guy though, to paint such an intelligent picture of yourself in public, you must be not be under your real name surely?

Oh well!

LOL

Mark ..

Chaos theory