A rumor I've heard a few times

Higher limit players under surveillance may be being tracked by camera between closeby casinos when they leave one casino and go to another. I have heard this is a possibility at the Tropicana corner in Las Vegas with the neighboring casinos communicating with each other. I have heard this a few times and am careful walking from one closeby place to another when I use a different name. Is it true? I have no idea. One thing is for certain, if they are not doing it now to higher limit players they soon will be.

I can tell you it happens by casinos and also by the Griffin surveillance company to gain additional G2. You do not have to worry about a different ID's unless the properties are affiliated for the casino surveillance scenario. For the Griffin scenario, they will do everything to find out who you are (if you are considered a real threat) from following you, getting your auto plates and identifying associates of yours.

have put people in the book that have never played a hand of BJ, because of association.

I was 86d from MGM within minutes of walking in the door after just getting backed off at Tropicana. This happened a few years ago. I don't think it was outside video surveillance but simply a flyer exchange, a mini-SIN, between the nearby casinos.

If you haven't read Burning the Tables in Las Vegas by Ian Anderson you should. It's a great book for high limit gamblers and how to make you look like a mega sucker so the Casino will never consider you a threat.

As for flyers many years ago, so what? Irrelevant as of today's games.

This has nothing to do with today's games (which I certainly play). It has to do with an occurance that followed another occurance and what can be assumed from it. Getting barred from one casino, walking next door and getting immediately getting barred, is not indicative of outside video surviellance following one place to place. But such could be easily assumed by those inexperienced with the common methods of casino information exchange. The natural assumption for those who have been around for some time is that casino A simply sent fax/flyer/email to their neighbors that a player considered to be a threat was currently cirulating in the area. This is quite common.

explaining anything to the obvious casino trolls. They tell you your post has no value,yet look at the useless blurping of Slappy's opinion. It's defintely worse than no value.

a troll although I thought it was a legitimate question. I think it is a hypothetical on his part because if he were the type of high roller against whom a casino may conduct such activity then he'd already be in the loop, have good sources, and would not be asking such questions in a beginner forum like this. Yes, I've been followed by foot and by car. But this is not common or standard procedure. And the fax circle along the corner which includes MGM, Tropicana, NYNY and Monte Carlo has been well known for some time. They are not following people outside on camera. They are just shooting a picture over and perhaps calling to let their neighbor know that some joker was just booted and could be headed their way. If you get barred in this area you should go change your clothes and not play any of the casninos around there the rest of that day and avoid that shift for the rest of your trip.

...no doubt in my mind. It's last phrase, says it all. "Soon will be."

Shehe means "I hope it soon will be."

I�m almost positive Slappy has been around awhile. I believe he has called himself the Siphon, Max J. and various other names. Those individuals have been kicked off of Green Chip a number of times for inapproiate behavior. It's my belief that this person has emotional problems and is unable to interact with other people. I don�t know the guy personally, and I don�t wish him any ill will, but it�s obvious from his rude response to DD's serious answer that the man has some issues.

If you doubt me, check out the Non-Gambling page on Green Chip. Read Slappy�s recent posts and do a search on Max J (set the search back for a year or longer), and you will see what I mean. His severe anti-social behavior is probably why he�s not in the loop about this sort of information (assuming he is actually a card counter).

DD, you�re always helpful when it comes to questions, and it pains me to see this poster respond in such a rude manner. I know his actions probably don�t bother you, but it still sucks to see this kind of behavior from a person you�ve honestly tried to help. C�est L�vie I guess.

what you're trying to say. Who's not a troll, you or Slappy?

"If you doubt me, check out the Non-Gambling page on Green Chip. Read Slappy�s recent posts and do a search on Max J (set the search back for a year or longer), and you will see what I mean. His severe anti-social behavior is probably why he�s not in the loop about this sort of information (assuming he is actually a card counter)."

If I doubt what? That Slappy is not a troll,what are you trying to say? I dont need any proof or evidence to prove this troll enjoys causing a disturbance. I'm not a GC member and this is the first time I've read his post.... dont need to read anymore. Are you're trying to inadvertantly tell me you think this guy could be a serious card counter just because he was a GC member!? Get real. The reason for the anti-social problem and loopless call, is because this is a REAL CASINO TROLL in action. Thinking only card counters exist on GC is a joke. Slappy is a prime example,why do you think he was at the non-gambling board? I'll tell you why later.

Who's not a troll, you or Slappy?

I'm saying I don't think Slappy is a troll. I just think he has emotional problems. That's the reason for his rude posts.

Are you're trying to inadvertently tell me you think this guy could be a serious card counter just because he was a GC member!?

No. Everyone knows that casino employees are on GC. Being on GC doesn't prove anything. However, judging from Slappy's many previous posts on GC (under other handles), I do think there is a strong possibility he is a real counter and not a casino employee (troll).

But, hey I could be wrong. But judging from this guy's behavior, I don't think he would last very long at any casino as an employee.

But whatever he is, I'm sure we both agree that there is no sense wasting any time reading or answering his posts (except for entertainment value ;-)

Frankly, I took his response to DD personally. DD is a very helpful and experienced player, and he didn't deserve the kind of smart-ass response Slappy gave him.

Bumpy

Didn't you know the elevated walkway between NYNY & MGM is a troll bridge?

Are the High Rollers' rooms like first class on an airplane (i.e. people dancing naked in the aisles, etc.)? Can one be inconspicuous and wander around, wonging shoes, etc. without getting booted just for loitering instead of sitting down to Play All (Assuming, of course, you dress and act with panache) ???

There's a differance between ignorance & stupidity: ignorance is curable. For instance, the bodybuilder who played the Incredible Hulk on TV is named Lou Ferrigno -- very Italian. If you pronounce it Fer-rig-no, you are Fer-rig-nor-ant. Ya wanna know how to pronounce it? Ask an Italian.

Stupid is as stupid does.

- What does a bear do in the woods? Forrest Dump.

Slappy's post is thankfully consistent, in content, value and form, with the posts he makes, under various aliases, in the NG page, where he manages to be both politically weird and unintentionally hilarious. Take Slappy's posts for what they're worth but no more.

Go, Slappy!

I haven't read Burning the Tables, so at the risk of being branded an uninformed imbecile by Slappy (An action which I will heartily ignore) I'd like to point out the following things about high-rolling, which I have inferred from general knowledge, reading, and the odd movie:

High rollers get premium treatment and all sorts of perks which the casino exchanges for the priveledge of taking their money.

To be considered a high roller these days in any decent casino you'll be needing to spend around $5000 a hand. Assuming a 1-12 bet spread, with a bankroll of 50 times your max bet, you'll need $3,000,000. Even with a very small ROR with a bankroll that large just isn't worth it, if I had 3 million dollars I'd dump it into property, not risk it at Blackjack tables.

If you want to play in the high-roller lounges the casino will want to know who you are and what you do (not so hard if you act like a dumb sucker who just inherited a heap of money). If they find out you're counting, I very seriously doubt they'd just tell you you're welcome to play any other game.

The stress associated with being dealt an 9 against a 3 with the max bet out (doubling up exposes $120000 of your bankroll, assuming a 1-12 spread) is more than a lot of people can handle.

These factors considered, if you used a smaller bet spread, circulated the casinos so as to avoid arousing suspicion, and you were worth enough so that the thought of losing a million wouldn't send you looking for tall buildings with windows, then possibly the high rollers room could prove highly lucrative.

Although I don't think I could handle it, I'm sure there are people on this board that could, given a big enough bankroll.