8-8 vs A (TC +1)

You split, get another 8 and split to 3. Draw 10, 10, 8. What do you do with the 16 (can split to 3 hands only)? Game is 8D DAS NHC where dealer BJ takes original bet AND busts.

You should not have split the eights in the first place in an ENHC game (see Zenfighter's post "More Data" below). Having done so, you should have hit the third hand (treated it as a hard 16). The TC would have to have been much higher than +1 to change this.

What about this Shotkaller?

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See you soon, buddy... I'll call when I'm in town.

This is not ENHC - it is NHC game where dealer bj takes original bet and busts eg if you double 11 V A a dealer bj will take single bet only.

ps "Thanks but..." message above is not from me - does this happen often on this forum?

playall, Sometimes the children here like to play grownup and use another posters screen name. You can register your name by clicking on "create a profile" at the top of the page above the threads. Hit 'em hard, The Side

I think my answer might be correct anyway. My reasoning is:

The EV for splitting with the OBB rule would be lower than with a hole card (due to the possibility of busting one or more split hands when the dealer has BJ), though not as low as with ENHC (where you lose even unbusted bets to dealer BJ). The EV for hitting and standing with OBB should be the same as ENHC. The EV for doubling with OBB should be the same as with a hole card (except doubling hard 12 or more). Correct?

I am not sure if the EV for splitting 8-8 vs A would be low enough with OBB that you should hit instead. Does anyone have the numbers on this?

These Aces, no matter lose all, or the other type with a lesser
degree of venom, are little monsters. Hard to deal with them.
For your rules in question 8dks DAS and NHC, I've got this:

H = -.6660
SP = -.7250

Better one bet down the tubes, than three, or?
It seems to me that at TC=3 you have a fair match. God forbid!
Regards
Z

My EV with an ace is a loss-why in the hell make it worse ?

Oops someone has stolen my name....

So why is bs for these conditions to split? See eg. http://www.smartgambler.com.au/casino/bjstrat.html

Here is the original text from White Knight Blackjack. Note the difference in the line about splitting A-A and 8-8. This is the correct version.

They say "A's, 8's always but not A vs A, 8 vs A, 8 vs 10 in ACT and South Australia" ie they still advocate splitting in OBB conditions (all casinos in oz other than the 2 they exclude).

The same site says that Canberra follows the ENHC rule and Adelaide follows the OBB rule. This might be out of date or just out of sync with the advice on the strategy page. In any case, Zenfighter's figures tell the story.

ENHC but is now OBB (I believe). So their BS advice is don't split 8's V A for EHNC (consistent with all other sources) but do split for OBB. Zengfighter's figures suggest they are simply wrong on the latter - is this the bottom line?

8-8 vs A
BS = Split against dealer's 2 through 10, don't split vs. A
The High Low index to split is TC=4.
Don't forget also to buy insurance and hope for the best.
Is clear now?
Regards
Z

Thanks Zenfighter.