You Really Want To Take On Griffin?

I read with interest the documents from the Gosjean case. See http://www.cardcounter.com/The_Grosjean_case.htm. The complaint is a good read (but I think the opposition to the motion to dismiss Nevada needed improvement).

Anyway, have those of you intent on legal action against Griffin and others consulted big-firm lawyers experienced in complex litigation, including class actions? I may be speaking out of turn here, but you could effectively press your collective cases by banding together in joined actions or filing a representative action under Fed. Rule of Civ. Proc. 23 - and you could even bring an action for injunctive relief only, i.e. request the Court prohibit Griffin from engaging in unlawful conduct in violation of Gramm-Leach-Bliley or other unlawful conduct. See http://www.ffhsj.com/bancmail/bmarts/ecdp_art.htm or Nevada state law re invasion of privacy, false imprisonment, etc.

Further, with federal claims, you could avoid getting schooled in state court by taking your case to the federal level - and you could even get it out of Nevada (it's called diversity jurisdiction - read up on it). And you could still pursue state causes of action (like false imprisonment and/or invasion of privacy) in federal court - yes, I know what I'm talking about, it's called pendent jurisdiction. Check that out, too, if you're still skeptical. Have your respective counsel advised you of this?

There's much, much, much more to this, and it's far too complicated to address here, and I wouldn't do so in a public forum. But from what I've seen on the blackjack boards, the plaintiff actions thus far have been mostly unsophisticated, uncoordinated attacks using few of the tools available to each of you, individually or collectively. And the tools that have been employed have been ill-equipped to get the job done thus far.

Perhaps this is by choice, because if you really pressed and put up the money to fight, you might win, altering the Nevada 21 game forever.

To reiterate, undoubtedly some of the regulars here have means at their disposal. If you banded together (which you can), you could wage an effective war. Has this ever been explored - or even considered?

Maybe if Griffin made any significant impact on the lives of professional players it would be a worthwhile expenditure of time to attempt to bring them down but, quite frankly, they are inept and ineffective so, why bother?

Nice job of outlining some options for us. For my part, I think taking on Nevada casinos is a losing cause. Look what happened in Atlantic City when Uston "won" his lawsuit prohibiting casinos from throwing out counters. We already have CSM's and lack of good games in Vegas and elsewhere---as DD once said in a post we have more and more counters chasing fewer and fewer good games. Successfully taking this crowd to court will only hurt us in the long run in my opinion.

If you are serious about discussing the merits of a law suit, contact me at advantageplayer@hotmail.com

One word to the LVHCM -- you are right. The best players work right under Griffin's nose without them ever catching on.

However, this issue is not about maintaining or improving conditions for players of your skill level. There is a question of privacy, legal authority, and civil rights going on here. I am happy to take on Griffin, Biometrica, SIN, et. al. on these merits, even though the net effect will be neglible for the pros.

One could choose to save the whales or to protect the environment, my issues have always been privacy and civil rights, and this one hits home. These guys are breaking so many laws, its hard to even know where to start. And they have the nerve to call us "cheaters."

Attacking Griffin will make it more difficult for casinos to detect proficient players with weak acts -- but the best will always go undetected.

--Mayor

Some of the big teams have investigated class action lawsuits. The problem is finding lawyers who are interested in taking the cases.

I believe there are any number of lawyers who would be more than happy to take the case----on an hourly or retainer basis. I think what you meant to say is there aren't any interested in taking the case on a contingency basis! Big, big difference.

Go after the casino industry and the buckets of money they pay (bribe) to polititians to allow their games to cheat the public. Americans need to be educated that the casino industry is a corrupt and immoral industry that feeds on the addictions of its customers to destroy the moral fabric of the community, and that nothing short of closing down these casinos will work. We are currently working within the political structure in Florida to have the illegal casino boats in Florida closed down, and we urge those in other states to work to close down the cancers that exist in their own area.