X-Count vs. Hi-Lo

Ten-Count is the oldest blackjack card counting system.  It was first introduced to the world in 1962 by Edward O. Thorp – the legend who shocked the gambling world with his famed “Beat the Dealer” publication. Many versions of Ten-Count have become known since, the latest being Foret Lanyang's X-Count. 

Regardless of its stripe, each Ten-Count system shares the same distinction of having a 100%-perfect Insurance Correlation (“IC”). Ten-Count’s combined BC+PE+IC is an impressive 0.72 +0.61+1.00 = 2.33, while the well-known Hi-Lo counting system can only boast a 0.97+0.51+0.76 = 2.24 for its BC+PE+IC.

In spite of its famed lineage and superiority in BC+PE+IC, Ten-Count, however, has fallen far, far behind Hi-Lo in usage.  One may wonder: “Why”? With the prior versions of Ten-Count, one can attribute the lack of use to their general difficulties in execution. They all require counters to count every card - a task more suited for robots, not for fun-seeking casino goers. But with Foret Lanyang X-Count, counters actually need to count 16 cards per deck only – less than Hi-Lo’s 40 cards per deck.  (See the table below.) 

Moraine says: 'Just give it a try. You may find the easiest counting "job" in casino like never before. Card counting or not, going to casino is for fun. Don't settle for anything less.'

Point Value and System Parameters

Please stop posting nonsense. You don't measure the power of a counting system by adding linearly the three efficiencies or correlations. You're writing to a sophisticated audience here, not a bunch of newbies. We make the insurance decision about once every 7.7% of the time. Meanwhile, we size our bets on every hand and make strategy deviations more frequently than insurance, as well, depending on which game we're playing and how many indices we use.

The ten count is vastly inferior to Hi-Lo, when measured objectively with SCORE. But, then, I suspect you probably know that.

Don

RE: moraine

In the last discussion you started, Cacarulo also mentioned another ten-count,

”Another system with an IC of 100% is 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 -1, but here again it is necessary to convert to TC.”

Did you forget to bring up this one too? I'm more interested in this part. 

That one was not included because I just mentioned a few more well-known ones for example. Actually, Foret Lanyang had another cool way to get 100% IC as described in Moraine's book.

Let me ask the same question I asked earlier. How do you get these numbers: BC = 0.72, PE = 0.61, and IC = 1.00 ? 
 

Can you use the Cacarulo example to derive them?  We need a mathematician here. 

These are all derived from well-known formulas. Do you not have Griffin's book?

Don

Could that be true for pitch games (for which the original Ten-Count was developed and for which a count system with high PE is preferred)?

Another way of  seeing Foret Lanyang X- Count is that it in fact is a count of the ALL HIGH CARDS identified by Hi-Opt I, which is also a count with relatively higher PE, and is often used for counting pitch games. 

I probably have almost everybody’s books about this, but I really need somebody to derive this part of math, numerically. I probably said something irritating. You are a well-known mathematician, above all. 

Can I wager you don't have 2 of most impt books...BJ Attack and Revere, Playing bj as a business?

aceside, 

Moraine must confess that he didn't get the numbers through derivation from a formula. Rather, he got his numbers from a website engine many, many years ago.

These were the original 4-decimal-point raw numbers he got for Foret Lanyang X-COUNT:

BC = 0.7226,  PE = 0.6117, IC = 1.0000

PS:  Hope you will try out X-Count and compare its performance against Hi-Lo in any shoe or pitch games, (or against Hi-Opt 1 when playing pitch game). Please share your experience as well.

Let me just say this. I have my own way of defining the Insurance Correation (IC), and my IC numbers for the above four ten-counts are

99.85%, for (+4, -9);

100%, for (+1, -2);

Assuming for the moment that X-Count vs. Hi-Lo is a tie, and assuming that each of them may add a side-count it likes for the purpose of out-performing its opponent, QUESTIONS:

1) Any side-count that may help Hi-Lo to beat X-Count?  Answer:  Ahhhh . . . A traditional Ten-Count maybe.

2) Any side-count that may help X-Count to beat Hi-Lo?   Answer:  Ahhhh . . .A simple Ace side-count?

As posted earlier, I created a balanced system for card-counting Spanish 21. I named it “Diez” count. The tag numbers are (+1, -3) for non-ten and ten cards respectively. How about you evaluate aceside’s new invention?

State your qualifications for such a monumental task. 

It looks like you texted me but I don’t know what to answer you. I’m a mathematician. 

Don, you're awful gracious w/your time spent educating such nonsense, of which goes in one ear and out the other,w/out appreciation

Yeah, I gave up on this thread a long time ago.

Don

What this "Diez" count can accomplish?  100% IC in Spanish 21? Insurance pays 3:1 in Spanish 21?

I've heard that in Spanish 21 in Australia, insurance pays 5:2. With that, my "Diez" count has an IC of 99.71%.  My Diez count can be used to target Match-the-Dealer side bet.