Why

does dealer usually tuck his hole card under his up card? Is so the hole card more protected? Why not just placing the 2 cards next to each other? Why do casinos give a chance to front-loading players etc?

...To prevent reading a marked card, especially in pitch games where the players handle the cards.

Cobbson

...The players are not "front-loading". It's the dealers who are the front loaders. The player is just an observer ;)

Cobbson

Front loading. To glimpse the dealer's hole card and use the information for playing your hand.

We are speaking of a Front "LoadER"

I forget my grammer definitions, but I think one is a noun and one is a verb. I'm sure Don S. can help out on this one.

front loader. A dealer who exposes (usually unintentionally) his hole-card while dealing.

front loading. 1) The dealing practice of loading the hole-card from the front of the up-card. This is standard practice in casinos. See side loading. 2) {HCS}. The strategy of observing (peeking) the value of the dealer's hole-card as it is accidentally exposed. Opportunities arise to see the dealer's hole-card when he initially deals himself one and when he peeks under tens and aces to check for naturals. The term front loading refers to the first case when the dealer loads the hole-card beneath his up-card. This type of play is made possible by a dealer who tips the card up towards the players to slide it beneath his up-card. A player who is either short or is lounging at the table may be able to read the value of the card. The basic strategy for front loading is not the same as the strategy for double exposure.

"I forget my grammer definitions,"

And, apparently, also your spelling of "grammar." :-)

"but I think one is a noun and one is a verb. I'm sure Don S. can help out on this one."

"Front-loader" is, of course, a noun. "Front-loading" is what we call a gerund, which is a verbal form, used as a noun.

Now, as to the discussion, I would say the following: Clearly, a dealer who loads the card from the front is a front-loader, or a front-loading dealer. And, a player who tries to see that card as it is being loaded is engaging in front-loading. But, I don't see why you don't think we can't call such a player a front-loader himself. If you think that front-loader can apply only to the dealer, what do you suggest we call a player who tries to make a living by engaging in front-loading?

If you say "hole-carder," I would suggest that that term usually is applied to someone who tries to glimpse the dealer's hole card as he peaks at it, and not as he loads it.

Don

If you say "hole-carder," I would suggest that that term usually is applied to someone who tries to glimpse the dealer's hole card as he peaks at it, and not as he loads it.

"Peaks" at it?

I'm not sure I agree with this definition either, but a detailed discussion of hole-carding techniques is probably not wise on a public board.

If you say "hole-carder," I would suggest that that term usually is applied to someone who tries to glimpse the dealer's hole card as he peaks at it, and not as he loads it.

According to the dictionary:

peek 
verb (used without object)
1.
to look or glance quickly or furtively, especially through a small opening or from a concealed location; peep; peer.

OR

peak
1    [peek] Show IPA

noun
1.
the pointed top of a mountain or ridge.

2.
a mountain with a pointed summit.

3.
the pointed top of anything.

4.
the highest or most important point or level: the peak of her political career.

5.
the maximum point, degree, or volume of anything: Oil prices reached their peak last year.

6.
a time of the day or year when traffic, use, demand, etc., is greatest and charges, fares, or the like are at the maximum: Early evening is the peak on commuter railroads.

7.
the higher fare, charges, etc., during such a period: If you fly during the Christmas holidays, you'll have to pay peak.

8.
Physics .
a.
the maximum value of a quantity during a specified time interval: a voltage peak.

b.
the maximum power consumed or produced by a unit or group of units in a stated period of time.

9.
a projecting point: the peak of a man's beard.

10.
widow's peak.

11.
a projecting front piece, or visor, of a cap.

12.
Phonetics . nucleus ( def. 8a ) .

13.
Nautical .
a.
the contracted part of a ship's hull at the bow or the stern.

b.
the upper after corner of a sail that is extended by a gaff.

c.
the outer extremity of a gaff.
COLLAPSE
verb (used without object)
14.
to project in a peak.

15.
to attain a peak of activity, development, popularity, etc.: The artist peaked in the 1950s.

a chattering or flighty, light-headed person.

an extraordinary or unusual thing, person, or event; an exceptional example or instance.

verb (used with object)
16.
Nautical . to raise the after end of (a yard, gaff, etc.) to or toward an angle above the horizontal.

adjective
17.
being at the point of maximum frequency, intensity, use, etc.; busiest or most active: Hotel rooms are most expensive during the peak travel seasons.

18.
constituting the highest or maximum level, volume, etc.; optimal; prime: a machine running at peak performance.

Which would be the correct term ?

...An old man's brain freeze. I Just remembered something. We're about the same age...Old man!

Cobbson

"'Peaks'" at it?

First, please excuse the typo of "peeks." Sigh.

"I'm not sure I agree with this definition either, but a detailed discussion of hole-carding techniques is probably not wise on a public board."

Fair enough. With the advent of card readers, there isn't much peeking going on anymore, so I should have said when the dealer "loads" the hole card.

Don

"Peaks," of course, should have been "peeks."

Mea culpa!

Don

Anyone know how the conditions at Tunica are? Are they better or worse than the strip casinos in Las Vegas?