Trespass Curiosities for all

What occurs if:

1. I was trespassed from a casino that was later sold (like Treasure Island BEFORE they sold to MGM). Am I now allowed to play there since the new owners have never trespassed me?

Or

2. I was trespassed at an adjoining and similarly owned casino (like Paris/Ballys) am I also barred from Bally's?

Or

3. Being barred at one Stations casino (they all use same players card) does that legally mean all Station casinos?

I've heard many conflictng opinions but have seen no court cases. I'll probably continue to play there anyway.

Good questions Chappy.

How about this one too?:

What happens in the future when a suited man with two thugs trespasses us from ALL the casinos belonging to the ...................... "coalition"?

if you play under the same name under which you were previously trespassed you will most likely be shown the door again. You almost certainly will not be detained and get the citation for trespass, which carries a $50 fine.

The Station Casinos will trespass you from ALL of their properties. Sometimes they only back a player off of BJ at one property, but rest assured your picture is sent to the others and you'll likely get asked to leave there, too, before you even get a chance to play.

but nothing was mentioned about the other Stations. What right or realistic expectation do they have to presume that I know which casinos they own? What if some are owned by another owner? There appears to be no determined answer to any of these or the other important trespass quesions. Must I presume my barring at Paris includes Ballys which is attached and part of the same building? Was I barred from the "property?" Must they explicitly say so?

And what does change of ownership have to do with this if at all? If MGM buys Mirage Resorts that's a change but so is also a change if Chappy buys one share!

1. I was trespassed from a casino that was later sold (like Treasure Island BEFORE they sold to MGM). Am I now allowed to play there since the new owners have never trespassed me?

Your trespass stands only at the original casino. You were trespassed by that business which was sold to another owner. The trespass stands unless you are invited back (which often inadvertantly happens). However your name will still be in the database as undesirable so if you DO go back you should either play under a different name or play anonymously.

2. I was trespassed at an adjoining and similarly owned casino (like Paris/Ballys) am I also barred from Bally's? Legally, the trespass would apply only to the original casino. In this case, however, Paris and Bally's are really one giant casino operating under a single license. Caesars, however, while still owned by the same gaming conglemarate, is incorporated separately, (Desert Palace Inc. d/b/a Caesars Palace) so the trespass legally does not apply (although Caesars may act like it does). Likewise, if you are trespassed at Wendy's Hamburgers on Flamingo, you are still welcome at Wendy's Hamburgers on Tropicana.

3. Being barred at one Stations casino (they all use same players card) does that legally mean all Station casinos? see #2 above, each Station's casino is incorporated as a separate business and then all owned by an overall company. This is done to insulate each individual casino from the others in the event of lawsuits and/or the need to make major changes or even go bankrupt. Therefore a trespass from Sunset Station does not apply to Boulder Station (for example)....however, that won't stop Boulder Station from honoring the trespass at Sunset and re-trespassing you. It also won't keep them from lying to you by saying that you are trespass at all Station Casinos, which they cannot do since the manager at one Station is not a manager for another Station.

So far as I know, when the Stations read you their "official trespass" reading (which is not the same as just telling you to leave) they will read off the names of all their properties, tell you that you are not allowed at any of them, and ask you if you understand. This type of thing is usually done in the security holding room, so I imagine it's saved on tape should a discrepancy arise. But I don't know if it's technically legal for them to do that.

So far as I know, when the Stations read you their "official trespass" reading (which is not the same as just telling you to leave) they will read off the names of all their properties, tell you that you are not allowed at any of them, and ask you if you understand.

When I was trespassed from a Station property, the guard read his little speech from a sheet of paper, but did not reference any of their other properties. Not that it mattered anyway.

1. To get me into their "holding" room they will have to seriously incapacitate me. (Easier said than done). Personally I hope they try as I will love spending the resulting settlement.

2. Even if they have record of this the trespass is only legally binding at the property at which it happens no matter what list of properties they mention.

Great 99 cent menu but may not receive decent food after ten:)

Thanks for posting that, bigplayer, I think that's interesting and it's something I was previously unaware of. Seems like they'd be better off not wasting their breath reading the list!

you shouldn't really even be paying much attention. You are not required to know what casinos they own, manage, or have any affiliation with.