tema play effective?

I'm a beginner counter and was just asking if anybody on here ever did team play? And if so, how many other people? and is it better to play like that... if you can find somebody of course! or just stick to just yourself? i just wanted to know.

I imagine there are some effective teams out there but I think it's very difficult. The first thing is to find people you trust because when money is involved (esp. big money), people can do strange things. You also need to know that they are excellent players with the proper background with the same time and dedication you have (assuming you fit the criteria). You also need an agreement with the other players, which may not be worth the paper it is written on. I wouldn't suggest it for a beginning player. There are some teams with investors and players, which makes an agreement even more difficult. Just one man's humble opinion.

Yes, I've been involved in teamplay. Forget team play...I doubt you'll find enough other progression players to even make up one. But hey, what do I know?

Regards,
PM

There were many stealings when I began with poor management. It took me 10 years to make it working with many adjustments but I think it worths my effort.

At this point in your development as a player, it is too soon to think about adding the many complexities of a team, even a small one. Work on your own game and bankroll first. There may (or may not) come a time when a team makes sense for you, but that time is not when you are a beginner. Good luck.

My point to Poptart is that he will never find any team players since he's a progression type player...UNLESS he finds others that play progressions. Can you imagine how that would work?

Teams work better with small numbers of participants, one's you know well and can trust. Larger teams have too many personality conflicts, in my opinion.

Curious about you. I know most of your play is around the world...I would suspect your team play would be with few members, as well, except when playing in the US. If you do play on teams abroad maybe give us some idea how that works out. Do you make plays (high EV) together in the same casinos and how much scrutiny do you get when doing so since I'm sure foreign casinos don't see much of it...except maybe cheating which I know goes on alot around the globe.

Also, I need to get hold of your books that are published in chinese...where? Can I get them from you, directly? Just tell Al, here to refer to this post as evidence I give him the okay to give you my personal email.

Thanks,
PM

Praying Mantis notes above that you are a progression player. If so, there needs to be no discussion of a team or anything else. Quit playing immediately. If this is difficult for you, please contact Gamblers Anonymous.

Do not return to a casino unless you have thoroughly dismissed progressions from your mind and have learned a method of advantage play. Please read the link below re progressions.

To Praying Mantis,

Look I do not wish to cause any discomfort on your knowlegde whether or not progression works or not. I also count. All I am saying is I have WON with progression many many times. Maybe more times over counting. But that doesnt NOT mean counting doesn't work. Obviousley it has some kind of reinforcement to it otherwise I wouldn't have been asked to not play bj anymore. If anything, I'm starting to wonder if counting is even worth it. Is it? I lose just as much counting if not more than progression. Thats the point im trying to make here. Everyone says progression is a losing system. Oh well, honestly, ALL systems are losing systems. Over time, I DON't think counting will overcome any house edge. One day I'll win $50. Another day I'll win $400. The next I'll win lose 600. See what I'm getting at? I do WIN with counting but I easily lose it the next session. Wheres the profit in that? I know I am playing right, have a reasonable bet spread, bankroll etc. Progression WILL win in the short run as anything will, But sooner or later it catches up. Anybody here make a living at this? If so, I'd really love to know. So theres my two cents about progression and counting. I am both. What about you?

It's about mathematics. Period.

until it sinks in.

Seriously, if you're playing progressions at any time, you are not an AP.

Click this link and learn why progressions don't work:

http://www.bj21.com/bj_reference/pages/10537.html

And seriously consider never playing blackjack again, if you continue to believe in voodoo.

All I am saying is I have WON with progression many many times. Maybe more times over counting.

The fact you play progressions at all indicate your lack of understanding of counting. Where did you learn progressions? I dare say it was not here! You come to an AP site and consistently write that counting has no more value than progressions because you tell us you win as much or more with progressions than counting. Have you written a book(s) about progressions? The way you promote them, leads me to wonder.

How many APs do you know and play with? I'll tell you...NONE! I know this to be true because no AP would waste their time playing with someone that believes in that crap, let alone put their money on the table with someone who does.

Everyone says progression is a losing system. Oh well, honestly, ALL systems are losing systems. Over time, I DON't think counting will overcome any house edge.

You don't THINK...of course you don't think because if you did the math is very clear that it does overcome the house edge, if properly played. Now, therein lies the problem with your very small sample size...properly played. There's more to counting than just adding and subtracting by one. You have to know the proper amount to bet, deviations, etc. Maybe there's a hole in your game that has caused you not to win with counting, I don't know. But don't come to this site and say counting does not work because every AP I know that partakes in it can prove to the contrary by their spreadsheets.

Even after those here tell you to quit playing until you understand what you're doing, you then have the gall to ask about teamplay. Where are you going to find any AP that would want to team up with you, anyway?

Read Bear's advice again, and if you have any smarts you'll heed it.

Regards,
PM

My books are sold in US at World Bookstores and I believe you may find some at LV Chinatown Mall's Chinese bookstore. If you can read Chinese, you may read my articles from my blog
teddygotmail.pixnet.net/blog which posts my column articles at a Macau newspaper. I used big players approach at US at 2001 when mid-shoe enty was not so sensitive as these days. Big players approach is not realistic for non-USA casinos except at Australia long time ago because most non-USA casinos don't have so many tables. My team is basically one counter accompanies by an auditor making sure all actions are recorded properly or sequential tracking with full table to control cards flow.

I've been to LV Chinatown and didn't see anything. I will try again online. What is the author name you write under?

Thanks,
PM

...on Snyder's board. Have you ever thought of publishing a book of your travels and stories in English?

For PM.."Three of his Chinese-language books on gambling are currently available at all World Bookstores, including Beat 21, BJTravelling, and TZL Teaches. TZL is BJTraveller's Chinese pen-name, and it translates as "The gentleman carrying son"

Cobbson

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of 63 countries into one English book together with Mark Dace... for 10 years...: (
I will keep trying!

Just because I tell you I win more with progressions doesn't mean counting doesnt work. I believe it does. However, I think progression is a little more solid when it comes to card counting. Heres why. Yes, counting will illustrate to you when the "count" gets favorable. But it never says whos going to get the better hand. Just because the player is "favorable" doesnt mean the dwaler isnt going to get 20s and bjs your counting on. Adding and subtracting numbers all day long just to gain a 1% or 2% advantage is a joke. How much can you possibly win? 300? 900 here and there? Hardly seems worth the effort. Maybe a better paying job or a business for more income would be appropriate. I know 2 people that are "professional" BJ players. One of them is a cop and says he rather be a cop because he makes twice as much. And friend, believe me when I say this he always carried 1000 on him whereever he went and always won. He says it isn't worth it. I know theres more to counting, like deviations, when to leave, how to bet right and not get caught I know how to do those things. Even when the count is hott, I still lose. But with progression, I think its mroe solid. I rather win $30 with progression instead of losing $300 when the player gets "favorable". I'll place a bet with you. I'll bet you this: Ill be the progression player you be the AP. We play for 10 days straight 3 sessions a day. Lets see how you do. I think you will lose.I bet you ill come out waaayyy ahead of you in the long run.So moving on, I have no intentions of teaming up. I dont need to.