Shufflers of the Continuous Type

Hi BJ 21 posters,

Has anyone got any info on how to beat a continuous Shuffler (The version where the discards get put back into play after every round).
Unfortunately these machines are the only game in town where I play, so choice is not a factor! There are two types of shuffler currently being utilised by the casinos I frequent. One apparently has a buffer of around +/- 20 cards and the other around +/- 60 cards before any discards come back into play

I've read a few very brief articles on the subject and certainly believe they can be beat. Advantage Playing Compatriots have told me these contraptions are positively playable, but for obvious reasons are very loathe to part with the facts & figures on how to do it.

If anybody out there could shed some light on this for me. It would of great help to my future playing time in these blinkered casinos. Also if this subject is deemed to be rather sensitive, please feel free to use the attached E Mail address for one on one replies.

Thanking in advance anbody who can help.

Sirran

From Siran:

One apparently has a buffer of around +/- 20 cards and the other around +/- 60 cards before any discards come back into play

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Myself:

One must know how many decks that they are using...It is usually 4...Even at your best scenario, that means that 148 cards are not coming into play before the next "shuffle"...That is almost the same as playing against 4 decks with the cut card eliminating 3 decks out of play.

You can not beat this game under those conditions...Others say there is a way to do it but I wouldn't bet my life savings on it until you understood the method, if there is one, more completely.

Don Schlesinger says that besides all the successful card counters, there is also a large number of teams of counters making millions of dollars off of the Casino's...The CSM's are, in my opinion, the ultimate Casino defense against card counting.

The only way to beat these things is by dumb luck. I once drove a few hours to a casino only to find that all the games were CSMs. I wasn't about to turn around and drive back so I sat down at one of these beasts and won around $800 in three hours randomly lowering and raising my bets.

The guy next to me lost about the same amount...

It is all blind guessing; if you are skilled at this go for it.

at the Trop in LV. After one week playing everywhere, I evaluated the data I had collected regarding my play, and to my suprise my best results were against the CSM's. Now don't get me wrong, I'm confused as hell as to why that happened because I usually avoid those machines like the plague. I wish I know how I did it but I think it was just luck. I still would not play the damn things if I had the choice, and I only played the Trop because I was staying there, and it was more a nightcap session or an early morning get a cup o'coffee thing.

Don't play its a waste of time if you are a counter. Play the shoe games.

Thanks for replying guys but to take this thread a one step further I personally know of two players who have beaten these machines in the amounts of 80k & 30k respectively in the last 18 months.

It's a bit like searching for the "Key to the Realm" in this respect, but as I mentioned in my prior message trying to learn this secret of the "Game" is another story.

Obviously if a known player already has the knowledge to beat these machines it would be a totally different one to learn this for your use. I certainly would be very hesitant to impart any information I had in this respect onto another party for their own use.

I've spoken to the two players concerned (colleagues)and do not doubt the veracity of what they told me. You may ask why they told me about their deeds, that I can't answer, but I suppose a mutual respect and interest of Advantage Play would have something to do with it.

Again, I can't fault them for not giving more of an insight into this subject, but it certainly maintains a quizical interest for my part. My E Mail is mentioned above and if anyone wants to help a journeyman advantage player to reach greater heights, please be my guest.

Tks
Sirran

From Wamprat:

It is all blind guessing; if you are skilled at this go for it.

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Myself

There is no skill involved when you are guessing blind...I refuse to "go for it"...Apparently card counting is not that important to you, but it is to the Casino's...They didn't spend a fortune on this technology just to while away their time.

Some CSM's are beatable. Here's a link to get you started. If you are lucky, the Vampire may post a response to you on this forum.

Good Luck.

be the lawyer that will be needed when all the dealers get carple tunnle syndrum.

It's time to run some radio ads there to warn players of the evils
of CSMs and suggest they play in another town.

Spok

The only way to beat these things is by dumb luck.

I'm aware of half a dozen different methods various ingenious advantage players have used to combat these devices.
You can read about some of these methods in an article on my homepage (link below) or in my book Get The Edge At Blackjack.

Past threads involved with this topic have seen a number of trolls destroy any sensible discussion of the subject with a bunch of nonsense so I'm not discussing this further here.