Should we make this the lead page again?

I'm thinking of moving this page anup to the top spot in the left frame. The reason is the Beginner BJ page is getting a few messages that are not really beginner material. I think some people click on it because it is the first free forum listed, and not because they want to post something of interest to beginning blackjack players.

Putting the Blackjack page first would once again bring it so much volume that every now and then it would be wild and crazy, but I don't think that's such a bad thing.

Stanford Wong

Every thread on the beginer page tends to inflate in the level of responses. A simple answer limited to the board's purpose, always brings a "wait a minute" response which is always a little more detailed, and even though usually more accurate, gets to be way way way over the heads of the intended audience by the time the thread is finished.

You could solve all such problems if you had a way to transfer entire threads, under your or David's control, and move them to more appropriate boards. And if some threads got out of hand, or were considered to discuss tactics that were too valuable they could have a canned response pointing to Green Chip for further discussion.

Of course I would want a comp Green Access for sugesting that--I promise to behave and not rock the boat too much;-).

A few non-beginner ?'s don't make a differenc in the beginner page. When this page was up top it got too congested.

Bringing it to the top is probably a good idea if it's possible to pare down the number of posts. How about adding another forum that would take away some of the volume?
I think that card counting is probably the most often discussed topic so why not add a separate card counting forum here?

Even for valid "beyonders." The math needed to evaluate card-counting is needed to evaluate banger play, classic warps, tells, flashers, spookers and other valid non-counting strategies.

The place for progressionists, believers in the FLAW, and the like is the Progressions Page. The place to post on possibilities deriving from remote viewing, ESP and psychokinesis is the voodoo board on bjrnet.com

I hate to say this, but can a request for a Green Chip progressions page be far behind the post I am now responding to?????

If it does not meet your objective, change it. At least the newbies
are not getting gross insults on their initial post. The board seem
quite civil on the pages I read. There are boards without post busters, but there is always someone that just has to get nasty, one
way or another.

SW -

First off I want to thank you for the forums, especially the free ones. Over the last couple years I have become educated in so many aspects of counting, comps, play variations, and more that I could never have found by myself searching the Net.

Regarding the Beginner page, it wasn't very long ago (if I recall correctly) that I found almost no new posts there. It has been terrific that that page has exploded to its new popularity. Despite the complaints of excessively complex posts, it still shines as a place where newbies to advantage play can post without fear of being ridiculed.

As far as changing the location and/or focus of the misc BJ free board, allow me to make a few personal observations and preferences public:

The separation of Vegas BJ and Vegas Life on the free boards is great. It allows those who want info on shows and clubs to not interfere with discussions about casinos and BJ games, as well as trip reports. I'm surprised you don't have a similar separation on Green Chip.

On the other hand, you do have separate groups on GC for "Cover & Comps", as well as "Card Counting". I would recommend new groups on the free pages for those subgroups as well, as it would move some of the discussions from misc BJ, as well as some from Beginner. You could even separate the counting board as "Advanced Card Counting", or something similar. Then you could make the misc page "BJ Other".

I was disappointed with Don's defection from the board, but overall I don't find very many obnoxious posts in relation to the multitude of helpful and intelligent responses written by most of the people who post here. Perhaps if you added these categories, the flaming could be kept to a minimum, or at least contained.

Anyways, thanks again, and I should be posting a new Vegas trip report next month.

Jay

into White Chip and Red Chip sections.

The separation of Vegas BJ and Vegas Life on the free boards is great. It allows those who want info on shows and clubs to not interfere with discussions about casinos and BJ games, as well as trip reports. I�m surprised you don�t have a similar separation on Green Chip.

So far green chip has gotten by fine with one Las Vegas page. We add new pages in response to demand, rather than in an attempt to create volume that was not there to start with. Hopefully green-chip volume will grow to the point where we need to separate Las Vegas into two pages so that threads don't scroll down the page too quickly.

On the other hand, you do have separate groups on GC for �Cover & Comps�, as well as �Card Counting�. I would recommend new groups on the free pages for those subgroups as well, as it would move some of the discussions from misc BJ, as well as some from Beginner. You could even separate the counting board as �Advanced Card Counting�, or something similar. Then you could make the misc page �BJ Other�.

Probably we should add a free Card Counting page. If we do, where should we put it? Should the order of the first three free pages be Beginner BJ, Card Counting, and then BJ Other?

I was disappointed with Don�s defection from the board, but overall I don�t find very many obnoxious posts in relation to the multitude of helpful and intelligent responses written by most of the people who post here. Perhaps if you added these categories, the flaming could be kept to a minimum, or at least contained.

Don was spending way too much time on the Internet. Diverting time to other activities required cutting back on time spent on BJ21. At least that's my interpretation of the situation. The important thing to me is that Don and I still are good friends.

He and I have different objectives. Don wants to eliminate all objectionable posts, whereas I prefer to maximize the volume of quality posts. Eliminating objectionable posts requires a barrier to posting, and that barrier has the unfortunate side effect of restricting the volume of quality posts. Having no barrier to posting results in a higher volume of quality posts, and has the unfortunate side effect of receiving a few objectionable posts. Using postbusters allows the no-barrier method to achieve as high a signal-to-noise ratio as the barrier method.

Stanford Wong

Split the Free Forums section into White Chip and Red Chip sections.

How? What part of the Free Forums would go into White Chip and why?

Stanford Wong

People just learning to play, learning BS. Red chip should be for new counters and count related strategy, TC conversion, bankroll questions, Kelly betting questions, etc.

Purple chip is for the Whale in all of us....smile

As if there were not enough glorious mayhem as it is.. If I get a vote I defer it to the postbusters. It seems like perfection as it now is configured. Once someone has been outed for using the wrong board it seems they get the message and adjust accordingly...

just my hourly EV at a $5 50% 8d game.

Now that this page has been renamed the "Main" page, and since card counting is unquestionably the main (i.e. most universal) form of advantage play, it would be wiser to just leave the page be.

Here are my suggestions:

1. Keep the Beginner page at the top but rename it "BJ For Beginners". More descriptive I think.

2. Add a page, listed second, called "BJ For Counters".

3. Rename the Blackjack page to its former name of "Blackjack Misc." and it would be third in line.

As you do now, on the Index page of each forum you can be more descriptive of the postings that are expected.

Whatever you decide, thanks for providing a great set of boards to the BJ community.

Buick

Keep it the same for now- I think there was always heavy traffic on the main page by beginners. Starting the novice page in the free section was a good move. Readers will graduate to other pages as their knowledge base widens.
I'm against a separate card counting page, as it would further dilute the Main page. If you add something, let it be a topic to further isolate nonsense, such as the Progressions page does.

Something that would help these (and most) message boards would be if the posters would give a better idea of what topic their post covered. Also indicating whether or not theirs was a question. Is it possible to add a drop down menu to select a topic and then post an subject behind it? Examples:

QUESTION: Ace/Five upgrade
COMPS: Coupon goldmine in newsletter
COUNTING: 12 easy steps
COVER: Breast implants foil FRS

As for order of the free pages, my only suggestion is to move the Book/Software page next to the Beginner page. It might cut down on some of the miss-postings.
Another suggestion is to change the font of the Online Catalog items or at least put them in all capital letters so they stand apart and will not be mistaken for forum pages.

Sentry