Question about back counting DD

I dont have access to my bjrm right now so can someone answer something.If you back count a DD game with 50% pen, do you have the same advantage when you come in at +3 or +4(1% advantage with my count)compared to if you came in at +3 or +4 with 60 to 65% pen on a dd game somewhere else.rules would be the same.h17 das da2.

You have the same advantage at that given count per-se. But to truly determine if that game is worth investing your time in would require a simulation. The idea is that a deeper dealt game will allow you more opportunities to wong in (as well as more hands until shuffle when you do wong in) than the shallow game.

Less opportunities = less hands per hour = less money in your pocket.

i never play 50% games but decided if im always going to walk past this game,i should just back count it and get some hands in on my way to the next game..I just dont know if this increases my ror or not since,as you said,i wont get as many deep pen hands in after i wong in.

six deck game with 1 deck cutoff? Then why not play a 2 deck game with 1 deck cutoff? It all depends on what kind of money you can get down.

well,if your talking about playing DD with 1 deck cut off, W/O wonging,i would never play because of my small spread.Not enough positive counts to make up for all the negative counts i have to play(especially H17).I dont play six decks.It's a nightmare.The counts always negative.You have to stand around forever to get a positive count and when you do get some action in it's at a win rate much less than dd.if i remember correctly,if you spread 100-500 with wonging on a 6 deck game,the win rate was about 60.00 an hour and the NO was out of this world.

significantly better than 50% pen ??
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The counts always negative.

Not true. It goes both ways at the same percentage. Many of the best players in all the world make big $ at it.

You need more patience. There are so many good things about negative counts on 6D.

1 When it happens, it helps to confirm that they didn't remove the big cards from the pack.

2 It's easier to NOT play on 6D when the count goes in the dumpper without receiving heat.

3 I almost never find myself having to play on 6D when the count is below -1.5. I just get out, table hop, whatever. They just can't tell what I'm doing.

4 It gives you time to truely take a restroom break before the next shoe starts. Therefore, you're really not loosing any playing time because the "positive" is just not there.

...mid-shoe entry with DD.

Personally, I don't have any trouble with 50% pen on DD, PROVIDED absolutely no more than 2 other players.

It's about the number of betting opportunities per shuffle; not about pen -- at least not directly.

I never said i play 1 to 5 black on dd.I was just making a comparison that IF you played 1 to 5 black on the shoe game,its about 60 and hour compared to the dd which would be about 130 an hour.

H17 DAS six deck game with 1 deck cutoff spread 2x25-2x500 wongout out at -1 True Count HiLo all indexes used

N0 IS 13,635, WIN/100 $181, 1.588% Win Rate, SCORE $73.34

H17 DAS double deck game with 1 deck cutoff spread 2x25-2x500 PLAY ALL

N0 is 17,125 rounds, wins/100 $232, 1.301% win rate SCORE 68.61

H17 DAS double deck with 1 deck cutoff spread 2x100 2x500 wongout at -3

N0 is 21,338 Rounds win/100 $288, 0.906% win rate SCORE: 46.87

Everytime i walk around vegas it seems to be the standard 4.5/6.I remember when i did a sim: h17 das da2 ls 4.5/6,when i wonged in at -2(.70% advantage with my count)and a 1-4 spread black,i came up with about 60 to 70.00 per 100.Thats alot of attention your drawing to yourself for 70 an hour.If I were to play 6 decks i would have to go to Atlantic city.At least they cant bar you.dont they notice you backcounting and then coming in with black or purple chips.I would think w/o a team it's impossible to play for any lenght of time with real money.

a PLAY ALL 2D game with 50% pen is not a bad game if the casino lets you get down a shoe type spread...in fact, the numbers are quite comparable. Think of a double deck game with 50% pen like a play-all six deck game with 1 deck cuts where you wong-in at a neutral count after 4 decks have been played. A 50% pen double deck game is designed to get suckers to attempt to play with a polite spread...they will create nothing but variance for their bankrolls. The real option with these 2D games is not whether or not to play politely, but whether to blast away or stay away.

you cant spread big on DD.that's why i don't play 50%% DD.