problem

I have some problem.IN my hometown are these conditions.
6 Decks, S17, DA2, DAS, ENHC, ES10,3 split
Penetration is over 90%(half a deck).Only problem is that we have 5 spread.
At first we fought with my friends that this game is beatable every position.
But we have experienced 3 lossing session in a row(20hours playing)

WE worried about game beatable.Isnt it beatable at all?
What edge we have?

Certainly 20hours is plenty of time to get into the longrun. (Joke). You and your friends need to play more hours. I've played 20 hours of 2:1 BJ with a 2% fixed edge...I'm down almost $10,000.

Your edge depends on your bet spread and your willingness to get the money on the table when the count calls for it...but 1.5% should be fairly easily attainable.

Table enables unfortunately 1:5 spread.
I think that useless spread brings edge less than 1%

And there are 2 tables.Which is better?
6 Decks, S17, DA2, DAS, ENHC, ES10,1:5 spread,90% pen

or

6 Decks, S17, DA2, DAS, ENHC, 1:10 spread,90% pen(no surrender,but spread is better)?

You have indicated that the Max Bet and Min Bet limit your spread. One is only 5 to 1; the other is 10 to 1.

We can�t really answer which is better without knowing how the actual dollar figures match against your bankroll. For example, if I had one table where the limits were $100 to $500, and another where the limits are $10 to $100, I would play the former.

Can you play two spots? If so, can go from 1 spot of 1 unit up to 2 spots of 5 units? Can you leave during negative counts. All of these are important considerations.

Actualli ES table 200$ to 1000$
Second table 30$ to 300$
Bankroll 50k$
unlimited spots,no leaving bad count(empty casino efect)

Which would be better?

With a 50K bank, I would suggest playing the 30-300 table, spreading 2x30 to 2x300. This assumes that the minimum doesn�t go up when you play two spots.

One thing that you didn�t comment on is the Heat factor. Are there problems associated with large bet spreads? In some jurisdictions, you can make wide spreads without trouble. If so, you can look at pulling a spot in negative counts.

Now if you spread from 2x30 to 2x300, then, it looks like a 20-1 spread. But it is not as strong as a straight 20-1 spread, because there is a negative card-eating effect. If you get a lot more heat for a wide spread, then it probably isn�t worth it.

Even in your conditions, you should try to get out of some negative shoes. For one thing, when are getting ready to end your session, try to end in by leaving during a negative. Second, see if you can get a occasional courtesy shuffle.

Finally, you might see if you can play at more crowded times. There must be some other players at this casino at some time. If you could have other players at the table, then you can wong out and let them finish the negative shoes.

You cannot really take advantage of the 1000$ max bet because your bankroll of 50k is too limited for that. Swings would be horrendous.
Besides, betting maximum at the high-roller table would draw heat and the 90% pen wouldn't last for long.
I would suggest you play the more modest table going from 1 hand of 30$ to 3 hands of 300$. This is actually a spread of 1-30 which will raise no eye-brow in Europe.

Francis Salmon

this casino has no heat.Addition to that i have lost lot of sum in that casino.(Im very good client to them lol)

Please tell me how could u get 2*30 to 2*300 1:20 bet spread???

Yes u had 2 max bet,but u play more hands with negative counts(say losing more).
Mayby it is reasanoble to play negative counts in one hand for dealer to make more smaller cards?

No heat now doesn't necessarily mean no heat in future.Casinos are not welfare institutions and none is willing to accept heavy losses.
I proposed a minimum of 1 hand with 30$ and a maximum of 3 hands of 300$ (total 900$) which is really a (well hidden) spread of 1-30.

Francis Salmon