no more expensive cover plays

I’m finally learning (from you all) that cover plays are a waste and usually a bad idea.  But…what if I have a huge count, max bet, then push with dealer and 4 of us all having 20.
Now that 10 pictures came out, the count just tanked.
Reaching out and lowering from max bet to minimum bet looks SO obvious that you must be an AP.
Do I lower anyways?
Or leave the bet up for next hand.
Thank you!
 

Lower your bet, disgustedly saying that it's pretty pathetic when the whole table can't win with 20.

Don

great response...thanks Don

Good response Don, but the eye won't hear it.

so throw a few dollar chips across the room
 

Very possibly a good time for a restroom break.

While, of course, you're right, the eye may not have been watching, and sometimes, the eye doesn't get involved until a floorman calls upstairs. So, if you can keep the floor personnel off your back, you have a better chance that the eye won't get involved. Also, sometimes, dealers leave games and whisper to the pit boss as they exit, so if you can keep them from becoming suspicious, that can only help as well.

Or, so it seems to me.

Don

Don-I believe it helps a bunch to be jovial and all that but also to tip the dealer. What do you think?

No Don but I want to say that:
Tipping the dealer doesn't change a f...thing, except if you're playing a game where the dealer is keeping tokes. A dealer is NEVER satisfied with any amount of tokes. They are bloodsuckers!

 

I think if the dealer suspects you're a counter he/she is less likely to mention it to a floor person if you tip.

I don't think so. They have zero respect for you and once they get the tip, nothing will stop them from trying to look smart in the eyes of their bosses. In 99% of situations, tipping is way overrated.

G-man-
Don't you think maybe the dealer doesn't want to see those who toke getting trespassed?

I think that's a fair point, although in order for the dealer to care too much based on tips you'd need to be tipping quite a bit, certainly more than once or twice an hour, at which point you're going to be eating into your EV, if not wiping it out entirely, depending on the stakes you're playing at, of course.

I tend to think a combination of a not-too-frequent tip plus giving the dealer a more enjoyable time at the table (good conversation and such) compared to most other patrons is enough incentive for them to not be eager for you to be bounced. And if it isn't, then more tips are unlikely to change their mind.

I can't remember where I read it, but I think it was Don who suggested that there is also some amount of cultural expectation or responsibility to at least tip slightly, just as you tip a waiter or cab driver. I tend to agree, "when in Rome." It's part of their expected income, and it's part of the local custom (at least in the US). It doesn't have to be much, just that extra $2.50 chip you have sitting in front of you at the end of a session if you haven't given them anything by that point. Judge me for it if you will (because I'm certainly not purchasing much benefit from them by tipping on my way out), but I think at least one small tip during a session is reasonable as part of custom regardless of whether you're buying help or not (unless you really are there for only 15 minutes).

I shake my head, with a half smile reading about this topic.
 after probably close to 20,000 hours of being a full timer, until perhaps only a couple of years ago, the number one thing that I do not miss is the arogant, nastiness of Casino personnel.
 My take is no matter how much you toke, it's never enough. On occasion, with all my gaming hours of experience, I sometimes look back and ask myself why I didn't put all my experiences into print.....no regrets.
 However, if I did, I would emphasize I'm not taking any shortcuts, especially looking at how good the games were when I started and how pathetic overall they are now.
 with that being said,
 It would be extremely advisable when out in the gaming environment, to stay on focus and not being intimidated." What they think of me is none of my business "has been one of my mantras to keep me on Focus as the back offs will come no matter what, if you are truly successful....... they also come to those who are not winning players and not successful. Mathmatical preciseness without camouflage in deteriorated gaming environments found almost everywhere is more important now more than ever.
 I'll end by saying, never a fan
 of illustrious 18, as knowing all, all the index numbers are so important. My total focus and dislike for casinos has lead to success equaling expected value.
 Now beginning players, go do the right thing,

Just shake your head and pull it back. If in green, you could still play 2x$25 down from 2x$200 or 2x$300.

Go take a pee/smoke break. Or pull chips back and say you're gonna sit out and drink your beverage. The alternative is

As James Grosjean wrote, dealers are mostly on autopilot. They don't know/care what you're betting. Quiet foreign ones are my favorites.

If they're cool, you could throw a buck on top of your bet during a plus count. Or just stiff em. They'll forget you soon enough.

Cover is only effective if you know for sure the pit/eye is watching you. If I'm for sure being watched, I'll (gasp) play a plus deck without betting much more.