Lucky Ladies

I'm Playing TKO. Does anyone know when Lucky Ladies sidebet is profitable on an 8 deck game?

that it's been ten years since I made the Lucky Ladies post on Greenchip.

Back then, I did the calculations for 2 and 6 decks. If you give me the payout schedule for 8 decks, I will see if I can revive the program to run the simulation.

Thanks Panama Rick!
Unsuited 20 is 4 to 1
Suited 20 is 9 to 1
Matched 20 is 19 to 1
queen of heart pair is 125 to 1
queen of hearts pair and dealer has BJ 1000 to 1.
8 decks with 7 of them played before cut card.

I used the True Count conversion formula from http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=12936

IRC = -4*8 = -32
TC = floor(IRC/(remaining decks))

The Lucky Ladies bet becomes profitable at TC = +12.

If you side count heart queens, it becomes profitable at the following TCs based on the number of remaining heart queens:

8: +10
7: +10
6: +11
5: +11
4: +11
3: +11
2: +12
<2: +13

Could you please email me where I can find this game (panamarick at hotmail.com)?

Sorry, I screwed up the TC conversion.

No side count: +6

QH side count
8: +5
7: +5
6: +5
5: +5
4: +6
3: +6
2: +6
<2: +7

I use the TKO which is an unbalanced count of +4 per deck. I'm not sure how to convert my running count to a true count.
I would think on a single deck game a true count of +6 would be a running count of +10. Is this correct?
So does that mean a true count of +6 is 10 x however many decks are remaining? With 1 deck played, out of an 8 deck shoe assuming I start my running count at zero, would a true count of +6 equal a running count of +70? Thanks in advance.

When you said TKO, I assumed you meant true counted KO. However, it sounds like you are playing straight KO with an initial running count of 0. If this is the case, the numbers are (note that these numbers work with reKO as well):

RC: +37

QH side count:
8: +32
7: +33
6: +33
5: +34
4: +34
3: +36
2: +38
<2: +39

You should note that KO is one of the weakest counts to use for Lucky Ladies with a correlation of 0.50 for 8 deck. By comparison, Silverfox, HiLo, and HiOpt I have correlations of 0.75, 0.76 and 0.82, respectively.

Hi Panama Rick- Thanks for doing those numbers. I am playing TKO as described in The "COlor Of Blackjack" by Daniel Dravot. Interesting that those other counts have a higher correlation. I used to play the advanced omega 2 when i was playing a lot of handheld games. That was a great count and very effective, especially for single deck. Now that I am playing the shoe game, I wanted something with less calculations for my old assed brain, hense the TKO.
I was just guessing/hoping that when I reached my hot number (32 on an 8 deck shoe)that I would be in or near positive expectation on the lucky ladies bet. I was more than a little off, but was lucky as the count was in the mid 40s at one point with about 3 decks played. By then I was betting quarters on it with 2 hands of $200 on my BJ bet. I started betting $1 on it when the count was in the mid 20s, and ramped the bet values up at the count rose, but that was obviously wrong.
I don't play this house very often, but it's a relief to have concrete numbers to use on that sidebet. Thanks Again!

Panama Rick, would you be so kind to run the numbers for me. I use Zen and the game rules at the store I visit are: 6 Deck, S17, DAS, LS, DOA. Pen is 4.5 ( Dealer Dependent, some better, some worst )
Lucky Ladies Payout Schedule:

Unsuited 20 is 4 to 1
Suited 20 is 9 to 1
Matched 20 is 20 to 1
Queen of Hearts Pair is 200 to 1
Queen of Hearts Pair and Dealer has Blackjack 1000 to 1

I've seen 2 different players, on different days, when the 1000 to 1
bet with one of the players betting $15, and the other $5..LOL

Thank You!