Congress has slated a vote on Internet Gambling for Tuesday. Please write your representative and tell them how you feel about it. There are some giood instructions on the Prescription forum. Click on the link at the end of this post. They have the link to the Congress website and some example text for what to write. They also have the phone number to call as well.
David
I'm glad congress is doing something about rigged internet casinos. I'll call my representative and urge him to vote for this bill.
Congress is not voting to regulate internet casinos and drive out cheating software groups. Instead, it is voting to outright ban online gambling. This throws out the bad with the good and ultimately restricts our freedoms. If I want to play online casinos and profit off of them I do not need congress telling me I can't.
Online gambling will surely still exist in the US but it will then be pushed even farther under the table thus causing even more problems. It is similar to the situation of prohibition -- it didn't get rid of alcohol, it just created criminal syndicates, made normal drinkers into criminals, created health hazards due to bad alcohol, divided society, infringed on individual rights, etc.
We should all write to our congress people telling them not to restrict our freedom to do what we wish with our money as long as it doesn't unduly harm others.
See link below. Often the most important factor to weigh when considering a law is: how will it be enforced?
We live in casinos. To make bets we go to the pit or booth. To get paid we simply walk to the cashiers cage.
What is more important is the USA regulating the internet companies to OBLIGE BY THE RULES and protect people from getting scammed. If these internet casinos will not pay(or FIND EXCUSES)not to pay people who have followed the terms and conditions, then they should either be:
1. Fined up to $10,000
2. Change the terms and conditions.
It's pathetic many internet casinos can simply say "Sorry we cant pay you because of bonus abuse."
Why should card counters give a shit whether on-line casinos are legal? You can't count cards on-line, their games are like those dealt by a continuous shuffler. Card counters play at brick and mortar casinos, not the on-line ripoff casinos where you don't know where you're sending your money or whether you'll ever see it again, and that offer games where it is impossible to gain an advantage through skilled play.
The on-line casino industry is using YOU to pressure congress into allowing them to take YOUR money legally. Those who make money selling ads for on-line casinos are also involved in this campaign. Don't allow them to use you as their pawn.
I contacted my representative and encouraged her to vote FOR the bill. Online gaming is a scam that rips off those who can least afford it.
Do you think no one has ever been paid by an online casino? Do you think all online casino games are rigged? Do you think everyone who says otherwise is a liar or a casino employee?
Did you consider that some casino operations might actually offer an honest game because it is in their financial interest to do so?
A complete ban of the internet should be sought after all it is only used by perverts,con artists and degenerate gamblers
I checked this bill. Here is a link: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/D?c107:2:,/temp/~c107UPWQTB:: There appear to be lots of loopholes. In seems to prohibit someone engaged in the business of betting or wagering from knowingly accepting money from people. These places are all offshore anyway and not subject to US law anyway. Places like Paypal and Neteller are not in this business but only in the money transfer business. Section 3b2 specifically exempts "financial institutions" from being in the business of betting or wagering. Unlawful Internet gambling is defined as being in violation of any Federal or State law. There is no Federal law specifally outlawing Internet gambling and only a few states have done so. Some people interprept the Wire Act as outlawing it at the Federal level. If it is the wire that makes it so terrable, I can go wireless. It looks like nothing is really being chaged here. We can still use Neteller, Firepay, PrepaidATM, etc. to get money into casinos.
Number 1, you CAN count cards at on-line casinos. There are several casinos that offer single deck or shoe games with a set shuffle point.
Number 2, you dont KNOW that you are going to get paid any more than you KNOW that you are going get any merchandise that you order on-line. I do know of many people, including myself, that have played at over 50 different on-line casinos and been paid by every single one of them. I'd wager to say (pun intended) that a higher percentage of people are ripped off by "normal" on-line purchasing than by on-line casinos. So what is your experience that let's you speak with such authority on this matter?
Number 3, nobody said that card counters should care. This board is for the discussion of the game of Blackjack, not counting cards exclusively. Having the right to play blackjack when and where you want to should not be taken away because government feels the need to protect you from yourself.
Number 4, you state that the on-line casino industry is behind this? The on-line casino industry wants to be left alone. This is about the U.S. government trying to stick their nose where it doesn't belong once again. This IS about the government not pressuring, but FORCING you to abide rules that they impose.
Number 5, let's take this a step further. All land based casinos offer many games that make it impossible to win at in the long run. Most would agree that Blackjack at a CSM falls into this category too. Therefore, since we know that all casinos main purpose is to take money from people through "unfair" games, we should outlaw them too, right?
In conclusion, like most of the "for your own good" legislation that is passed, it "does not see the forest for the trees". We pass the law, then we need to enforce it. Then "they" find loopholes in the law and do it anyway. Now we need new laws and more "enforcers". Next we'll need an Agency to coordinate it all. How about casinos offering a 800 number direct dial connection or maybe people get satelite dishes that gets a direct connection to a casino without the Internet. We must stop that too, right? More laws needed.
Maybe you want to be a sheeple and be herded around by your government but just remember, eventually you'll be led to slaughter.
The following are the Top ten things I like about the Internet:
Given why I like the Internet, is it any wonder that I am against on-ling gambling?
It would be nice if it were legal for Nevada books to take online bets from all over the country. It would then put the offshore scams out of business.
That's the whole problem. People are bent out of shape writing their congressmen to let them keep sending their money to off-shore scam books. When they SHOULD be demanding that sports gambling should be legal in the US.
It just shows what a bunch of sheep the American people are, allowing the government to steal their rights without a peep and then celebrating because they didn't take another right (that really isn't a right at all) away.
...and I doubt any serious sports bettors do either. Nevada books offer lousy generic lines, no cut-price vigorish promotions and no bonus money.
I would rather do twenty minutes research to determine who pays and who does not and have those benefits.
If you are a professional gambler who gambles online you are screwed by this bill. Unlike the Wire Act, this bill defines a gambling business as "placing or receiving" bets. So Americans would be breaking the law
If you ACCEPT ANY INTERNET GAMBLING REVENUES you are screwed by this bill. Casino-on-net is the 5th largest advertiser on the internet. Everyone who gets money from Casino-on-net for sign-ups would be an agent soliciting business for internet casinos.
The pertinent parts of the bill...
2) GAMBLING BUSINESS- The term `gambling business' means--
(A) a business that is conducted at a gambling establishment;
(B) a business that--
(i) involves--
(I) the placing, receiving, or otherwise making of bets or wagers; or
(II) the offering to engage in the placing, receiving, or otherwise making of bets or wagers;
(ii) involves 1 or more persons who conduct, finance, manage, supervise, direct, or own all or part of such business; and
(iii) has been or remains in substantially continuous operation for a period in excess of 10 days or has a gross revenue of $2,000 or more from such business during any 24-hour period; and
(C) any agent who knowingly solicits for a business described in subparagraph (A) or (B).
I would venture to say that if Vegas casinos could take online bets, competition would drive them to be more competitive with bonuses and vig specials.
Of course, if pigs could fly...
David
but the big legal British bookmakers didn't and don't do that when they went online. A recognizeable brand means you don't have to bother with all the fun stuff since you have a ready-made audience.
