foxwoods casino in CT uses 8 decks.i find it is difficult to beat foxwoods .sometimes it is very crowded there and you even cant find a seat,let alone a favorable one.Is there anybody here who give me some advice on beating fox?I can count cards,but i often win 500 and lost 2000,ant i think that is a real problem.
As you have read or heard, it is almost impossible to beat the multi(4-8 decks) deck games consistently where you stay in the red.
The way to win is TEAM PLAYING; but the industry is onto it.
Read Ken Ustons books, then you'll understand!
Ever put the equation together of why Vegas went so much to multi deck games? It's not just for less shuffling or for more players.
Watch the RAIN MAN with DUSTIN HOFFMAN; then you'll put it together!
I left this out; other may explain!
Foxwoods is rarely a good game at below the $50-100 minimums in their high roller room. You are fighting too many problems at lower levels. First of all, the smaller games are often 8 decks instead of 6. Then you must contend with full tables. You are getting few hands in a bad game and are wasting your time. Even the high limit area sometimes gets too crowded to play. Seek other games more favorable.
anyway,i must thank you,count blackjacula.
What is your minimum bet? Your maximum. What counting system? Etc.
usually,i bet 25.i rarely bet 10 or 15.but 25 minimum tables are often crowded and i cant even find a table especially when i am in a down cycle.my maxiam is 200 or 250.sometimes 2 hands 200.i use hi-lo system.do you have any recommendations about foxwoods?or should i choose to go to monhegan sun.because monhegan sun is 6D.but i know it is very dark there.
Could be your count isn't as accurate as you think, also sounds like you don't wong out when you should due to busy tables and not wanting to lose a seat. Probably the most useful thing I've learned on this board is you're better off not playing at all than playing with bad rules or conditions. Go for quality, not quantity of play.
I play at the woods often. In an 8 deck shoe, you need to spread atleast 1-12 if you don't wong. I spread 1-10, but I wong like crazy. I am only a red chipper, so for me, it's important to be there at a time that there are plenty of $10 tables. (Week days) At first, I disliked the fact that the table were so crowded, but, it is the best time to back count. Sometimes I try to back count two tables, if my line of vision is good. I make it a point for the PB to hear me wine that I can't find a seat, as I make it look like I am trying to see if somebody is low on chips, ready to leave, but I am really trying to count the table next to me. With a little scouting, you can find a dealer that has great pen. Last week, I found a dealer cutting off only one deck, and showing the burn card to the whole table. They are very tolerant of AP, unless they suspect team play.
All this is just IMHO. PS-I have never been to MS, but I have heard it's about the same at the $10 level. And oh yea, they (woods)allow surrender, big advanatage.
You seem to be able to spread 1-10. That should be pretty close to producing an advantage for you, although 1-12 is what I have always seen recommended for 6d. I play a lot of 6d myself, and I also use HiLo. My only comment here is that 6d is going to produce a _lot_ of variance when compared with 1d or 2d. IE you can get a big TC, and bet big, only to see the TC get bigger because there is still a lot of "shoe" left and there are still small cards in that shoe.
I've noticed many times that the variance seems to vary with the square of the number of decks. And no, that is not a scientific measure, I just notice in the notes I keep that at 1d (no longer playable around here due to 6:5) or 2d, the "swings" have always been less pronounced than at 6d or 8d games...
Remember that if you flip a coin 100 times, only 2/3 of the trials will have a total somewhere between 45 and 55 heads. That leaves a lot of wild variance for that other 1/3. With 6d the variance simply swings farther. If you don't screw up counting, or keeping up with the TC, or with your betting schedule, or with basic strategy, you should eventually come out on the plus side.
Now all that is said based on the 6d games I play...
DAS, DA2, S17 (when possible, although many tables are H17) resplit any pair to total of 4 hands, split Aces get one card, late surrender, insurance offered, BJ pays 3:2. When the house starts twinking with the rules, ie D10-11 only, no resplitting aces, etc, things go farther south on the "swings".
I have seen two varieties here. Some casinos have a slot near the back of the shoe. The dealer shuffles, puts the cards into the shoe but holds them against the back side, then uses a small slot cut near the back to insert the plastic cut card. This gives nearly identical penetration each and every game, but also prevents a dealer from cutting the number of shuffles by increasing the number of hands played per shoe.
The better variety is where the dealer picks a spot and inserts the cut card. I think that so long as he cuts off about a deck, at least, on 6d games, the pit critters or eye-in-the-sky won't say anything. But this is ruining the 2d games where I have been able to play them, as I see little point to having 104 cards but only playing 52 approximately.
$25 - $200 is not very profitable. How much money is in your wallet when you play at these stakes? Less than $10,000 ? I hope not. Your expected profits with an 8-1 spread is way too small. An east coast 8 decker is hard to beat unless more than 7 decks are being dealt and you have LOTS of time to spend. I suggest a 16 -1 or bette yet a 24 - 1 spread. Be forewarned, this requires a substantial bankroll for the sake of safety AND it increases youir chances of being "tapped on the shoulder" !
These are the realities. My suggestion is to forget the East Coast in spite of the obvious convenience. Save your money and visit Mississippi or Nevada several time a year.
Awful penetration !
Enuf said.
8 decks properties:
1. Low SCORE. Have to spread like hell to win peanuts.
2. Variance is high to very high, hence requires extremely large bankroll to play quarter game, also ROR is high since most people don't have 100k to play BJ.
3. Long run (in terms of N0) is very loooonnng. If you are not lucky at the beginning, you'd have to keep playing a long time to be ahead.
my 2 cents.
