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Excalibur

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Apr 27, 2021, 10:02:54 AM

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In Fred Renzeys Blackjack Book II - He has a paragraph named '' The rule of 45 ''

stating that if your hard 16 contains any 4's or 5's to always stand againg the Dealers 10 upcard.

I am a beginner that has never played live due to Covid casino closures in the UK.

Does all players use this method ? If not what would be the reason and play circumstance

any Feedback appreciated

TMJdoc

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Apr 27, 2021, 11:06:38 AM

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No. If you are counting cards, you simply use your playing matrix to determine that decision. If your count is above, below or equal to the matrix number, your hitting or standing decision is based on the count at that particular time. Renzy's book refers to a playing matrix as an "advantage strategy index number" or a "variable strategy index number." It's the same thing.

If you are not counting cards, the rule of 45 is a reasonable thing to do.

Excalibur

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Apr 27, 2021, 11:23:25 AM

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thanks for response - When our Casinos open I will just stick to practising BS and input counting at a later date

Don Schlesinger

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Apr 27, 2021, 11:24:54 AM

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In Fred Renzeys Blackjack Book II - He has a paragraph named '' The rule of 45 ''

stating that if your hard 16 contains any 4's or 5's to always stand againg the Dealers 10 upcard.

I am a beginner that has never played live due to Covid casino closures in the UK.

Does all players use this method ? If not what would be the reason and play circumstance

any Feedback appreciated

by: Excalibur

If you count cards, you stand on your 16 vs. dealer's T, if the Hi-Lo count is 0 or above. This is irrespective of the cards that comprise your holding. If you aren't counting cards, then basic strategy is to hit your two-card 16 vs. the dealer's T but stand if your 16 comprises three or more cards.

Renzey's advice is for those multi-card hands, because, while not every multi-card holding is correct to stand vs. T, in the aggregate, it's the better thing to do, and any multi-card 16 with a 4 or 5 is always correct to stand.

Don

Excalibur

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Apr 27, 2021, 11:34:39 AM

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thanks for info

If I have read Renzeys pages right his equivilant of a Hi- Lo '' Zero'' is 20

So if I was counting cards I would stand on a hard 16 with a running count of 20 and above??

have I got that right?

Don Schlesinger

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Apr 27, 2021, 1:17:36 PM

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thanks for info

If I have read Renzeys pages right his equivilant of a Hi- Lo '' Zero'' is 20

So if I was counting cards I would stand on a hard 16 with a running count of 20 and above??

have I got that right?

by: Excalibur

Indices change according to the point count employed. But, if you're using a running count, one single value can't possibly be correct for all different deck levels.

Don

Excalibur

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Apr 27, 2021, 1:40:44 PM

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yes - his running count starting points are based on decks in play - Example counting using KISS Stage 1 - starting count for 4 decks is 14 - for 6 Decks is 10 Ect

Starting counts again change using KISS Stage 2 & 3 but when all counts reach 20 thats when he states to start betting

Don Schlesinger

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Apr 27, 2021, 4:44:47 PM

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yes - his running count starting points are based on decks in play - Example counting using KISS Stage 1 - starting count for 4 decks is 14 - for 6 Decks is 10 Ect

Starting counts again change using KISS Stage 2 & 3 but when all counts reach 20 thats when he states to start betting

by: Excalibur

Well, then, if 20 is when he raises his bet, indicating an advantage, it can't be equivalent to TC of zero, and therefore can't be right for standing on 16 vs. T.

Don

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Apr 27, 2021, 5:53:52 PM

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ok thanks for info - appreciated

Midwest Player

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May 2, 2021, 10:22:54 PM

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yes - his running count starting points are based on decks in play - Example counting using KISS Stage 1 - starting count for 4 decks is 14 - for 6 Decks is 10 Ect

Starting counts again change using KISS Stage 2 & 3 but when all counts reach 20 thats when he states to start betting

by: Excalibur

Well, then, if 20 is when he raises his bet, indicating an advantage, it can't be equivalent to TC of zero, and therefore can't be right for standing on 16 vs. T.

Don

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Don't you mean "can't be right for hitting on 16 vs T."

Don Schlesinger

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May 3, 2021, 10:14:10 PM

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"Don't you mean 'can't be right for hitting on 16 vs T.'"

No, not sure why you'd say that. Basic strategy is to hit 16 vs. T. If we have an index for the play, it's to tell us when to stand. When we say the Hi-Lo TC index for 16 vs. T is zero, that's the number at which or higher we stand.

Don

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Aug 19, 2021, 9:47:23 PM

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Hard 16 with 3 or more cards only applies to basic strategy players. For card counters, the count is more important than the number of cards. Using Hi-lo, if the true count is zero or higher, you stand. Don't fret about the technicalities of specific cards like 5's not appearing or showing up in a large amount. Your goal is to focus on the action and play your indices and strategy correctly.

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