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ahend52

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Sep 5, 2019, 4:56:30 PM

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I was half shoed at my local casino last week. The usual penetration is 1.25-1.5 decks for six deck shoe, then every dealer was cutting off 2.5 decks at my table. I've been playing approx 10 hours per week since Dec on different shifts spreading $25-$250. I dont use a players card, but its a small casino. Two tables during the day and 6-7 at night. My win loss is approx $6500 in my favor during this time.
I know casinos have different back off strategies, and I've been backed off before, but being half shoed is a first for me. About a month ago at this casino I witnessed an asian girl get backed off and I could hear the Shift Manager say to her "we've reviewed your play and no more bj for you, however you are welcome to play any of our other table games". So why not just back me off? are they not sure?
Anyway. when this happened I just finished my session flat betting and playing basic. I went back 3 days later on a different shift and the same thing happened. I just flat betted again. My next closest casino is a 4 hour drive away. I would appreciate some feedback from some experienced players. AHEND52

Dog Hand

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Sep 6, 2019, 5:14:15 AM

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AHEND52,

They have definitely identified you as an undesirable patron.

Despite playing anonymously, you've played at least three hours per week on each shift for more than half-a-year. Since clearly they could have backed you off (in other words, you aren't playing in NJ or MO), you should take their forbearance as a subtle message to quit playing there before they have to escalate to more-serious measures: a formal back off, a formal barring, or even inclusion in a national database of undesirable patrons (OSN, Biometrica, etc.)

As to why they haven't escalated, we can only speculate. If the casino is a database participant, I would guess that you are not yet in whatever database they use.

Hope this helps!

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Zillamonster

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Sep 7, 2019, 6:41:17 PM

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Ahend52,

I would agree with Dog Hand. You have definitely been identified. This is a sort of "soft" back off.
I would take a break from the place, for at least a few months, then maybe give it a shot again.
Being cut that way for me at least, makes the game unplayable.

ahend52

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Sep 9, 2019, 2:18:25 PM

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My concern is, by taking a break that would make it impossible to return months later because to stop playing is like telling the casino they were right to half shoe me and them saying "yeah, we got our man". I agree its unplayable, but what about playing cat and mouse with them for awhile? (betting $25-$50, basic strategy) have you ever seen or heard of a soft backoff reversed? I mean a soft backoff and full backoff are one and the same for me.
I can confirm the casino in question is in the United States and to my knowledge does not have a database.

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