Golden Nugget casino sues gamblers for $1.5M

Hey Counselor Bob Nersesian, you may get some potential clients who need you to counter-sue GN!

Certainly a just decision but I don't understand how all of those gamblers had so much on hand to exploit the situation. Also, don't the dealers shuffle the cards themselves? Was all of this money won on one set of hands on one deck?

and admit that I know almost nothing about baccarat. But the cards are never shuffled in baccarat?

"Golden Nugget Loses Case --- Certainly a just decision but I don't understand how all of those gamblers had so much on hand to exploit the situation. Also, don't the dealers shuffle the cards themselves? Was all of this money won on one set of hands on one deck ?"

"I realize that ---and admit that I know almost nothing about baccarat. But the cards are never shuffled in baccarat? "

Here's how gamblers beat GN. First, study the chart, then read on further, and you know how they had done it.

********* Banker ************ Player ************
#1******* 1 1 1 ************ 1 2 2 ************ #1
#2******* 2 2 3 ************ 3 3 3 ************ #2
#3******* 4 4 ************ 4 4 ************ #3
#4******* 5 5 5 ************ 5 6 6 ************ #4
#5******* 6 6 7 ************ 7 7 7 ************ #5

Since GN allows gamblers to use pens and papers to track all cards dealt,

gamblers will win almost 100% at a time when 416-cards come out of the shoe unshuffled. (8 deckers for the baccarat game)

Cards were unshuffled because Gemaco Corp failed to preshuffle the cards a head of time for GN.

Since Gemaco supposed to shuffle the cards a head of time, dealers were not required to shuffle the cards.

Based on the Banker-Player table above (predicted by gamblers):

On the round#1, gamblers know ahead of time that "Player" will win with 5 points (1+2+2)

On the round#2, gamblers know ahead of time that "Player" will win with 9 points (3+3+3)

On the round#3, gamblers know ahead of time that "Player" will tie "Banker" with 8 points each (4+4)

On the round#4, gamblers know ahead of time that "Player" will win with 7 points (5+6+6-10)

On the round#5, gamblers know ahead of time that "Banker" will win with 9 points (6+6+7-10)

In the above situation, gamblers seem to get a time machine. They know who's going to win a head of time,

and they bet accordingly.

Examples:

On the round#1,2, &4, they will bet $10,000 on "Player" to win,

On the round#3, they will bet their lives on "Banker" to tie with "Player". $8 to $1 payout!

On the round#5, they will bet $10,000 on "Banker" to win & so on�

Watch this Utube if you want to learn how to play baccarat and get "lucky".

Hey you may be the next "Phil Ivey" who had beaten Borgata $5,000,000 during a weekend in August 2012.

they couldn't have known they were going to win hand number 1 so it was doubtful they bet $10,000 on that hand. They would also have to pick up on it pretty quickly to realize the situation and take advantage on hand #2. Even then, to figure out the sequence that you layed out for me (thanks!)it would take some pretty quick thinking (although pretty easy for the math inclined. You've certainly explained part of the mystery but I still find it pretty incredible that they all had such big bankrolls on hand to take advantage of the situation. Instead of suing the gamblers, the GN should have fired the dealer and pit for not realzing the situation (maybe they did). Thanks again for laying it out so clearly and it's nice to see the good guys win one.

It seems to me that the answer to your comment is that they didn't sit down to play without prior knowledge that the decks weren't shuffled and then discover it "on the fly," at the table.

Rather, if Gemaco was guilty of this procedural error of not pre-shuffling, the players must have seen other such decks prior to sitting down and had studied and memorized the sequence.

I didn't follow this story very closely, but no one is alleging that this was a one-time unique shoe, right?

Don

Don, did you see my post on Aug. 13 about Ralph Stricker?

I was out of the country at the time and didn't have access to the site. I read it when I got back, and made a few comments. Did you see them?

Don

No, I didn't see them, Don. I understand from him that you and he knew each other quite well. He spoke well of you. I learned his system and played alongside him for several people. I came close to meeting you one day at a casino. You do know another one of his students who we had played for!

Robbie

There are tricks to spot a shoe with unshuffled 8decks. One of the tricks is to spot the burnt cards in an abnormal(randomized) sequence.

For example, a mini-bac-dealer frequently displays and burns 11 cards before she starts to deal the game. Here is a litmus test for you. Based on the burnt cards, can you pick out which shoe may contain unshuffled 8decks:

1) JJJJQQQQKKK

2) Q369J2872K1