Just a reminder to the few counters that may not know this. If you sit at a table and realize that there is already a counter there,(Yes you should be looking for other counters when you are playing) move on. Two players that are both increasing and decreasing their bets at the same time is MUCH easier to detect than one is. So, to the large asian gentleman at Binion's, next time find your own game.
when there is only one good table in the place, Ann?
I dont agree. Etiquette and comradarie exists here on BJ21, and away from the tables where we can all share our trade. When im back counting 6 decks in a casino for hrs at a time waiting for a playable count, you bet your ass im jumping in. Im there to make money, and to find the best possible playing conditions. I dont look for counters. I look for positive counts while being aware of possible heat. I didnt drive 8 hrs to be a nice guy.
Give me a break!!!
Cliff
May be too much to expect from unprofessional people, as are some of the other posters in this thread.
I agree with you main point, and will expand further on it. But I do fell that posting a description of another counter is not an appropriate way of handling your grievance. I do not subscribe to the view that two wrongs make a right.
Don't be too hard on this guy. He may not have realized that you were there. Yes, there are some counters who use these convoluted 3-level counts with 4 side counts, whose brain is so fatigued from counting that they wouldn't even notice if the building was in fire.
For you guys out there who asked what to do if there is only one playable table. If you are in LV, just go to another casino. Isn't that why you traveled to LV in the first place, because there were lots of places to play?
If you are playing out in the boondocks then you have a different problem. What if there is only one or two tables in a casino, and you have traveled a long distance. Then I think you should work on your game selection a little better. The number of tables in a casino is an important criterion in game selection. I would not travel to play in a poor casino. And I would rate a casino with only 1 or 2 available tables as poor.
In case you do not find "doing the right thing" its own reward, let me point out that professional courtesy can help you establish positive, cooperative relationships with other players. They can be a valuable source of information, etc. Some of my best friends I met when one of us wonged in, and left, the table of another. The value of the information I have gotten from them, over the years, is far more valuable than the lost EV of a few minutes
That description is vague, but I had a similar experience about two weeks ago, with a person who looked like that, at the same place. However, he didn't have time to see that I was counting until we had played 2 decks together. Since he went 1-8 without any cover, I left immediately after that deck. I figured they'd be all over him for that. I was only going 1-4.
My point is, it sure is annoying when that happens, but, since not everybody is on the same wave length (as MathP says), bite the bullet and find a new table.
a g.c.
but following your betting schemes. It happened to me a couple of times. This is another kind of voodoo player.
Sincerely,
Cacarulo
Many thanx for the responses, both positive and negative are appreciated.
Cacarulo, just to be certain many times I waited for him to bet before I did, still counting. Math Prof, I thought that the description was pointedly vague enough that if he uses these boards he would likely be the only one to know it was him, but I appreciate the reminder. Also he was sitting in the very next seat he would had to be blind not to have noticed me. Spokanimal, who is Ann? Also, I was at the Shoe, plenty of SD games. Cliff, I agree with you completely on a backcounted shoe game, there is plenty of room for more than one counter even a full table of counters, the typical change in bets is much more gradual and much less noticeable, but at a SD game in which he made the third player, which limited the rounds to three instead of four, the change in bets has to be more rapid in order to beat the game. I don't know if you like the SD games or not but acting is a large part of cover. Two players both raising and lowering bets at the same time is rather obvious, plus he was just sitting there as the typical counter, quiet, concentrating, betting(not much of an act).
Any other responses or corrections to my opinion will be appreciated.
you said:
"I do not subscribe to the view that two wrongs make a right."
I think you meant to say: "two wongs don't make a right."
about playing at a table where another A.P. is playing. I don't prefer to do it and usually won't unless I feel secure in doing so.
Similarly, if I'm playing and another A.P. shows up, I don't own the table and I have no business objecting to his playing.
In my view, the only non-courteous action is an A.P. who would knowingly cherry-pick (back-count) a game where another A.P. is playing. I would not selectively take another counter's good cards
only. When an A.P. does this to me, I'm quick to either leave the table or object to him "screwing up the card sequence".
Think about it.. is back-counting a courteous thing to do to ANYBODY
who's sitting at the table? The most courteous amongst us would say
it's not.
Spok
It is truly a revelation to me how differently people can look at the same subject. To call a game poor simply because the casino has just 1 or 2 tables available is (to me) absolutely ridiculous.
I play at a candy store with no heat but only one table open offering an exceptional game.
According to Mathprof I should pass on this opportunity because he rates it poor.
I hope there are lots of counters in my area that mirror his attitude - then I get the table heads up more often.
The "Ann that spokanimal referred to was simply a shortening of your handle: "Ann oyed"
