Seriously ..
Is it possible? I don't think so but have been wrong before.
Does anyone know of a site that lays out even the most rudimentary framework for being able to count their game. If so, are they reputable.
You don't have to expose it, I'd just like to know of their existence.
Thanks so much.
I remember reading somewhere that an unbalanced count is best suited for counting online.
most online casinos will shuffle after each hand so counting is useless. The few casinos that don't will only deal a small portion of the cards so that the player cannot get any decent advantage.
-Sonny-
They deal 10 rounds out of a four deck shoe for their tournaments. It looks like they offer unlimited freerolls, too.
ps make sure to bring the perfect play applet from gamblingtools.net when you visit them :)
Perfect play won't help you any at Gameaccount. You will get at most a tenth of a % from doing that-correct tournament strategy (which often violates plays which would be optimal in a normal game) is what really gets the money.
The danger with card counting in any form of tournament is that it makes your play very predictable to another expert.
Additionally, and this is a very serious problem, I wouldn't recommend you play at gameaccount. It is very, very easy to cheat there. Gameaccount seem utterly clueless about this and are unlikely to do anything about it.
where you see a real dealer dealing to you in real time, yes it's possible but your spread is limited and the hands per hour are slow. They also boot you out for no apparent reason and you got to click back in.
Sunrunner-online counting is possible and many have tried it. Some sites do offer token penetration. Most sites which offer live video feeds do deal some fraction of the deck out.
The problem is that the game is cruddy by B&M standards, even modern B&M standards. I think this tends to put the vast majority of counters off, especially since counters tend to be naturally suspicous of online play.
This mindset tends to be over-cautious, IMHO. Counters tend to think of these games in the same way they'd think about B&M games. This is a mistake because online games have some noticeable advantages over their B&M counterparts.
Firstly, the games have zero expenses. You do not need to stump up for airfare or hoof it round Vegas. Almost everyone underestimates the impact of those things on their bankroll. Every time I sit down with a struggling counter and work out exactly what their expenses are, they are shocked.
Second, the speed of the non-live games can be very fast by B&M standards. You may be looking at 600 hands per hour, which is faster than all but the fastest dealer can deal heads-up. And, non-live games are usually (though not always) heads-up.
Third, while the penetration online is universally dreadful, this can be compensated for by the ability to shuffle-up, in some cases more or less instanteously. Something like Global Players 2-deck with 40% pen sounds horrible, but there is a big difference between a 2-decker with 40% pen regular game, and a 2-decker where your bets are made constantly at the deepest penetration level. The mathematical difference is huge.
All this said, I have had only limited success counting online, and don't know of any one who has made big money doing it. This is partly due to the fact that straight bonus hustling, even know, is a better deal. So, online counting remains an option for "special situations" such as a well-regulated operation temporarily offering a comparatively deeply-penetrated game, or a stop-gap to keep your EV up till a better promotional deal comes along. Or, sometimes, a way to make an unplayable bonus playable.
There is a further big problem-it is difficult to believe you aren't being cheated. If you are one SD at a B&M joint you can usually be fairly certain that it is just bad flux. However, online, even someone like me who has unusual faith in the integrity of online games, begins to doubt things. The trouble is, if I think there is say, only a 5% chance I'm being cheated, then that would be enough to make the whole thing negative expectation.
Finally, there is the possibility of automating your play. I have no comment on that, except to say that it is harder to build a successful counting bot than most think, and the returns on investment are usually less than stellar.
All this said, I would be surprised if sooner or later a professional, well-financed and well-organized counting team did not emerge, that could make this work. Personally however, I think there are generally much easier ways to make money gambling.
Much of what was said is much of what I thought.
Someone sometime may score big counting on line. Maybe it's being done now. No doubt they are probably very well heeled.
I wanted to see if I was missing an opportunity and if I owed an apology to DLB. Probably not on both counts.
Thanks again.
Damn.
This was hard enough the first time, but that one got washed away in the tide.
I think you should join Greenchip. I think you would enjoy it, and you would be a good contributor.
Now, I'll go shoot myself... ...again.
