I have just received news that my local casino is going to install CSM. I'm curious to know about how many casinos around the world use these terrible tools and whether any casinos decide to dump them after ibnstallation due to such reasons as punter complaints or technology faults?
Cheers.
Crown casino in Australia, one of the largest casinos in the world, experimented with CSM's on a limited basis - gamblers rejected them and normal BJ operations have resumed over the last year or so. I have heard a rumour that they increasingly paranoid management are going to try them again...
Every person you talk to should be told that the CSM sets the cards up in an order so that it is much harder to get a blackjack. These people will believe anything. They believe that the 3rd baser controls the table, that you stole the dealers hit card when you doubled your A,7 vs 6 up, etc. Seed the fertile mind with the blabing mouth and before long, VICTORY will be OURS! Hearts and minds gentlemen!
Rob McGarvey
5th Special Forces
Both Casino's in Winnipeg Manitoba Canada use them. The exception is the handicap accessible table witch is still shuffled by hand. (It�s a 6 deck game)
I saw some of these at the Ramada Express and asked a few questions, but I didn't want to pester the dealer too much and make her think something was up. But what I gathered was that the machines they are using have six decks, two are pulled at a time (meaning 104 cards, not necessarily two full decks), dealt, and then put BACK into the machine which re-shuffles and spits out another 104 cards.
Did I misinterpret this, or is this really how they work? How horrifying.
I am known in a few places where they have both hand shuffled and CSM's and have been asked why I do not play CSM's. Here are the made up reasons.
1. I like the chance to stretch, walk around and talk to people while the dealer is shuffling.
2. Never a break, too many hands and no chance to clear your mind.
3. Poor dealer is always mentally working. When the dealer shuffles she does not have to watch players, cards and bets. It is a mental break for the dealer.
4. Things always seem to break down when the flow is good and then it changes.
5. I have played them and I am just unlucky with those machines.
I am sure there are tons of other reasons. There are still many places that realize that many of their bigger players do not like these machines and they do not use them on the higher stake tables. They watch these tables closer but being higher stakes they watched them closer before CSM's.
... the machines they are using have six decks, two are pulled at a time (meaning 104 cards, not necessarily two full decks), dealt, and then put BACK into the machine which re-shuffles and spits out another 104 cards. ... Did I misinterpret this, or is this really how they work?
It is even worse than that. They are actually "fake single decks." The machine spits out only 52 cards. Only about 30 of them are dealt. Ramada Express has about five of these tables. Edgewater also has one or two. There is a sign that reads HAND HELD MULTI DECK, but most people don't even notice it.
It is a disgustingly deceptive practice by casino managers with no scruples.
The link below covers it.
..and what's worse, some casinos dont even post the sign. Pathetic ploppies sitting down thinking they have a good double deck game. Whenever I see them without the sign (and some with), I make a point to say in my best dumbass tourist way "Woah! How many decks do you use? Because it LOOKS like double deck!" As I happen to be passing by the table. I am not sure on this, but if you ask about the number of decks, can they lie to you? Not posting the information is one thing, but flat out lying seems like it should be against regs...
My whole internal conflict is this: We dont want ploppies to go away or get smart, because they help keep the casinos somewhat satisfied with table game revenue. On the other hand, I feel the need to educate them to a CERTAIN extent on game selection(in my "accidental" way and only when it comes to 6:5 or FAK2), just so the casinos cant get away with such horrible tables. Because as we all know, if they have suckers play it regularly, it will become an institution.
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I like the idea of playing 20% more hands and less chance of being cheated by the dealer.
I don't like the box being black, because I can't see if the cards are being shuffled or manipulated. I don't know if the machine has all the cards.
My main concern is that machines can read cards today. That being so, it doesn't take much imagination to realize that a machine can turn a card game into a slot machine, by allowing only so many winning hands or holding back Aces. Or giving out more stiff hands. If a machine doesn't know how many players there are, it can give increasing good hands from position one through position eight. That way the dealer is always in control and assured of a winning hand. Even Caribbean Stud should be a big concern to us players because of the above comments.
These are real concerns, no need to fool anyone.
Arrange the cards so that you have alternating high and low cards.
the real concern is that a machine could malfunction and constantly deal from a pack of small cards. Malfunctions of this sort are not possible with a human dealer. Cheating from a shoe game is virtually non-existant in the U.S.
but it seems it's onesided when it concerns the casinos. If the player takes the cards out of view, the casinos react immediately, but allow themselves to do just that. All the more reason to have those boxes in clear plastic so we can see the cards are being shuffled. Why do they have to be black? The stock market is above board also until someone gets caught. Is the gaming board there to protect you and I or the casinos? Why doesn't the gaming board insist on the boxes being clear plastic, if only to give the appearance of being honest. The point is that even of there isn't cheating now there might be in the future as
the temtation is ever present and geting easier to do so as technology improves and fraud is earier to hide. Someone has made a conscious decision to go with a no-see-though machine, when it's obvious that a see though machine would be the natural choice to convine the public that the machines are above board. I wonder why!
They used clear plastic shuffling machines (not sure if they were CSM's) in Australia in order to show the players that the cards were being shuffled fairly.
However, a team got together and by videoing the shuffle, using a camera inside a ring I think, and sending it to a computer situated in a van outside the casino, they managed to slow the shuffle down to such an extent that they knew exactly what the order of the cards were in the following shoe.
The team got away with a lot of cash before the casino caught on and subsequently changed the shuffle machines to black plastic.
Best regards
'Switch'
All gaming commissions should adopt a minimum standard for the setting of a pack of cards into play. I think it should be mandatory that a pack of BJ cards shall, prior to play, be cut by a player at least once within ever 8 decks worth of play.
with the clear glass window in front were destroyed by a team using a camera and van approach to analyze the shuffle. That is why they all now have black tape across the top of the window to obscure the cards.
