can bs players make money?

Is it possible for a bs player to make a tiny bit of money in Vegas.
ie only play games with a very low house edge,use a lot of coupons,play mostly during promotions,play at crowded tables,play slowly.
Basically my utilising comps,coupons and promos,could they at least expect to make a few cent?

of comps, coupons, and promotions and using the Max Rubin strategy of playing at slow tables, betting relatively big when being watched and betting small the rest of the time your comps/benefits and be substantially greater than your expected loss (but with fairly high variance).

If you are going to L.V. to play b.s. BJ and make a few bucks, then no in the long run and maybe in the short term if you are lucky.

If you were planing on going to L.V. anyway,was going to gamble at other games or play BJ with the skill that most people have ,then the answer is yes. The difference between playing b.s. BJ and what most everyone else is gambling at can be significant,and in a strange mathmatical way,be considered winning.

Good luck...Frenchman

I have been to LV plenty of times as a BS player, and for the most part I am even or up a little. (I am only a red player)
Of my last 3 trips here is how it went:
trip 1: even
trip 2: up $400
trip 3: down $300

this is spending a good amount of time playing over trips of about 3-4 days.

I like to play, but never assumed I would do much better than even with just BS.

Good luck!

About 25% of perfect Basic Strategy players (flat betting) can expect to be ahead of the game after 300 hours of play (about 25,000 hands) in a game with a one-half percent house edge. After 150,000 hands, only about 5% have a chance of being ahead.

It all depends on your assumptions.

The Standard Deviation (square root of Variance) for BS is about 1.12 and doesn't change with the level of play. By applying Rubin techniques (full tables resulting in fewer hands per hour, hand-held resulting in fewer hands per hour, playing slower resulting in fewer hands per hour, betting to comp level only when the PC is watching, etc.), one will be playing to a much lower average bet level per time interval. That will result in both a much lower cost and effective SD (& Variance) than playing it straight.

Responding to the basic question, a typical casino will give back in comps about 40% of the assumed loss of the player, based on the average over all players. Even without Rubinizing, this results in a substantially positive expectation for the BS player, assuming the player was going to spend the money for the room, food, etc. if not comped. By applying Rubin's techniques, Expectation can be increased considerably.

All of that assumes one is looking at net results of a vacation trip to LV, not trying to make actual money to live on.

I am not talking about luck,i am asking about long term.
Its more a hypothetical question.How do you go about getting the coupons finding out where the best promotions are.Do you have to wait for info from the casino?
Is there a place i can find out these things?

of playing blackjack for a hotel room versus the variance of just paying for the hotel room. Playing blackjack you might win or lose a few thousand dollars betting green chips but get a free room...or you can lock in a $79 loss and just pay for the room.

here in this thread. If you play smart basic strategy your expected loss will be less than your comps recieved...so you will make a profit. In pure monetary terms, any free cash offers you get from casinos will probably not be enough to overcome your expected loss with just one player account. But if you have multiple player accounts and take advantage of coupons books like Casino Perks and the LVA Pocketbook of Values your expected loss will be even less.

Basic strategy alone is not enough to overcome the house edge otherwise in the short or long run.

You can ask more detailed questions about where the best comps are on the Green Chip cover and comps page.