"Beyond Counting" for sale

Beyond Counting - You know what this is.

I have a copy of this book in average condition (been sitting around gathering dust, no torn pages or anything like that). I purchased this Day 1 at the Gambler's Book Store in Las Vegas. Any reasonable offers?

Please contact cardcounter0@yahoo.com We can arrange a safe means of completing this transaction.

Got $200 offer on another board. I want to make the sale by the end of the week.

Received confirmation that the only printing of this book was the initial 1000 copies. So this is a 1 out of 1000 rarity.

Serious offers ony please, let's not jack around and waste people's time or efforts.

You are not retired but working overtime running a con job. Why would you want more than $200 for a used copy or not?

If you feel $200 is too much, don't buy it. Thanks.

PS > CURRENT BID is $250.

That's almost as much as I paid in 1995 for my 1976 Topps Walter Payton rookie card in mint condition. Not sure what it is worth now and don't really care. It will be passed on to my heirs.

Value is a strange thing, but my gut feeling is that W.P. will outpace any BJ book because of the old "supply and demand" market factors. And this from a Vikings fan.

Good luck in selling your copy.

Frenchman

There is currently a copy on eBay going for $500, and that's the first bid! I have seen the book sell for as much as $800 for a used copy. The demand is certainly there.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Beyond-Counting-blackjack-book-Collectors-item_W0QQitemZ320260948813QQihZ011QQcategoryZ268QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

-Sonny-

Might have a bid for $310, if not, $275 is the current high.

Who will be learning, among other things, 25 ways to "turn the eye in the sky" come Monday morning?

This was between my periodic interests in BJ. I bought the book
right next to it, my second copy of the CRC Math Handbook.
Just last week, I contacted that library to see if Beyond Counting
was still in their Yard Sale inventory, but they replied that it
is gone.

It was a long shot, but worth an email inquiry, IMHO. Nothing
in that sale goes for more than a few dollars. The CRC Handbook
was $2, and well kept. If only I knew then...

Recent auctions on eBay are priced at minimum $500. It might be
wiser to read it in the UNLV library, during trips to LV.

BJinNJ

Received offer I could not refuse. Book has been sold.
If new buyer is able to use info the book as well as I did, he should get the purchase price back 100 times in about a month.

Congrats on obtaining a nice price on your book sale. Good chance that some one reading this board might have bought the book.

If so, good move, and you sure can't beat the advertising cost.

Frenchman

I sold my copy for a similar sum.
To me - the book I enjoyed reading - but it contains NO pragmatic information.
It is overflowing with intellectual exercises; e.g. matrices that you cannot memorize forv situations that will never arise.

Meanwhile I am sharing for you all another (small) piece by Grosjean that you CAN profit from !

Download (.pdf format) "Beyond Coupons" from my MediaFire web page:

http://www.mediafire.com/?ey6uettmk3l

I've been trying to get a copy of this for a while now. Interesting to note the massively varying opinions on it. Some seem to think its of unbelievable value and others are very ho-hum..whatever. Both views are presented in this thread. Can anyone explain why such contrasting views?

Cheers,
L4C

Most players never get the opportunity to employ "couponomy" OR they feel that the (generally) modest amount of money to be garnered is not worth their time and effort.

I'm storing it in my "favorites" bin. Easy to obtain if I have to refresh memory on playing to max EV on obscure or even normal coupon offers.

Thanks FLASH,

Frenchman

A reason for contrasting views on Beyond Counting. (Certain other posters seem to be stuck on discussing Beyond Coupons, but that wasn't L4Count's question.)

Grosjean devotes much of the book to deriving the theoretically-optimal strategies for exploiting extra information in various casino games. He also develops more practical or simplified strategies that a player could more easily implement at the table, or that could help the player avoid heat. The analysis is often comprehensive and in-depth. True, it sometimes extends to levels of information that you'd be unlikely to acquire.

However, Grosjean has relatively little to say about the methods by which you might acquire such extra information. For the most part, he limits himself to listing the potential methods by name, and saying which are legal or illegal, or if the question is unsettled, might not be legal.

Some players believe that they have no chance of acquiring the extra information needed to take advantage of the book. Those players consider it worthless. Other players have found situations in which they could get that information, and find value in Beyond Counting's strategies. My opinion is that an aspiring AP should remain open-minded.

Something tells me your 100% correct.

Mind you I'm not having much luck getting the book anyway. Give it another month or two and I might just pay the $1000 amazon are asking.

Cheers,
L4C

For those of you that have read it, would you mind listing the contents of the book as they pertain to blackjack? ex. techniques employed etc.

like Mrs. Walker did with her Spanish 21 book.
An efficient, cost effective way to print books
with limited market appeal.

BJinNJ