Best fit for Ace Side Count

I was wondering if anyone had any opinions on what the best single-paramter counting system to accompany an ace side count. Would a count that treated aces as neuteral cards accompany an ace side count better than KO or Hi-Low (who count them as high cards)? I'm assuming an "ace-neuteral" count would have a better PE.

I think such a system would be beneficial because you could, for example, have a max bet out there and not take insurance and other moves that might throw the pit off. Any advice is appreciated.

It doesn't make sense to use an Ace-side-count with hilo or KO.
I understand your desire to use the side count with a 1-level-system to make it less difficult but there are better solutions.
I know a British professional who uses a special form of High-low by simply counting the 9 as -1 instead of the Ace. Together with the Ace-side-count this yields him better playing efficiency while maintaining betting correlation.

Francis Salmon

Hiopt1 is a one level system with ace neutral; designed specifically for ace side count.

It doesn't make sense to use an Ace-side-count with hilo

Why do you think this? A side count of aces with Hi-Lo makes a lot of sense.

Regards,
Tim

> I know a British professional who uses a special form of
> High-low by simply counting the 9 as -1 instead of the Ace.
> Together with the Ace-side-count this yields him better
> playing efficiency while maintaining betting correlation. <

Sound like the Revere APC to me.

The Revere APC is far more complicated. I think it's level 4 .What my British friend does is level 1 and not more difficult than the normal High-Low.

Francis Salmon

I was going by what was written about it in Julian Braun's "How to Play Winning Blackjack," where it was described as single level 2-6 vs 9-X with an Ace side count. Perhaps there is more than one "advanced" Revere count.

I just dug out Revere's "Playing BJ as a Business".There he advocates many sytems beginning with the Five Count.The main focus of the book is on the "Revere Point count" which is already a 2-level system but without ace side count.At the end of the book he hails the Revere APC as the best system possible but doesn't actually describe it and tells you to buy another book if you want to know more.
I found the answer in Uston's "Million Dollar BJ" page 106 table 8.2.
The tag values for Revere APC go from +4 for the Five to -3 for the ten.On top of it the ace is counted separately! I don't think I'll ever learn that.

Francis Salmon

a single level count. I think I have a copy in my garage - if I can find it.