I am going to take a trip to vegas in a few weeks. Can anybody tell me the best places to play single or double deck BJ $10-$25 minimum?
Binon's is now enforcing a stupid 1-3 spread limit on its one remaining single deck, and equally stupid 1-4 spread limit on double deck. This idiocy will chase off all the "best casino customers," progression ploppies.
Plaza has removed double after split on its double decks.
do they handle the "spread?"
For example, in the SD game, if you start off at 2 units after the shuffle, and go up to 4 or down to 1, what would they do??? say "go away"???
What happened to the "we don't care what you do red-chip wise"??? I played there almost every day for a week early in July and was able to play my normal DD spread (1-8 or so) in the SD game by starting at $10 (this was at a $5 sd table) and going down if the count tanked, or up if it improved... Never had anyone bat an eye.
sad that's dead...
I could live with NDAS on the Plaze DD game if the penetration is reasonable... But since someone said this was now a shoe game, I wonder if pen went down the tube as well as the rules?
lvbear584, i was there in october and used a 1-6 spread with no heat. when did they start enforcing the 1-3 and 1-4 spread? please say they're still paying 3:2 for bj's.
I think over the years we have talked too much about the good conditions at some locations. The result is that these stores get tired of us talking about it. Not that they are losing a significant amount of $. They just get tired of counters talking to other counters about their good conditions. They don't like being worked over.
how do they handle the "spread?"
It varies from day to day and hour to hour. The procedure followed when a "violation" is seen is for the dealer to push the chips out of the betting circle and refuse to deal to that player until the bet is lowered.
What happened to the "we don't care what you do red-chip wise"???
I don't know if the silly rules are enforced against red-chip players. I can't imagine the dealer stopping a game if a low-stakes player goes from $10 to $35, or a player goes from $25 to $100. But remember we are discussing casino employees here. Casinos rarely employ the brightest bulbs on the tree. I'm sure the people who created this stupidity have no idea how much money they are costing their employer in reduced profits.
The ever-fewer remaining downtown stores with playable games panic at the sight of reasonable money being bet. While downtown has always had a grind-joint mentality to it, the attitude has reached absurd proportions. The folks running the low-level sweatshops (Vegas Club, Plaza, El Cortez, and Western) and the folks running the rest of downtown that offer garbage games appear to be at about an equally low intelligence level.
New management has turned Golden Nugget into a sweatshop, too, and the Nugget is rapidly heading towards grind-joint status. Current management appears to be deliberately running off all reasonable action, skilled and ploppy alike. I can't help but think the Station Casinos Fertitta family philosophy is at work: "Offer nice amenities but crummy games. Enough suckers will come to make a hefty profit. We don't want anyone with even a half-functioning brain at our properties."
I was long a supporter of downtown, and encouraged people to give it a try. It is not as bad a place as many think. But with all the present silliness, there is little reason for anyone to go there anymore. That makes me sad.
Is playing at the big casinos a stupid idea? Now, I am not going to be throwing around serious money, around $600 or so. For a player like myself, where should I go, downtown or the new strip?
when did they start enforcing the 1-3 and 1-4 spread?
Within the last few weeeks.
please say they're still paying 3:2 for bj's.
There is one single deck table remaining at Binion's with real (3 to 2) blackjack, if you consider a 1 to 3 spread to be real blackjack. The others have been converted to 6 to 5. Sickening.
Double deck still pays 3 to 2 everywhere except O'Shea's "casino."
Strip has good shoe games. But at $10 mins almost all the time, and climbing rapidly when things get crowded on weekends. The $10 tables are generally full unless you happen to hit a lucky find early in the day...
I should feel fortunate to have hit Fremont when there was still a worthwhile game here and there. Sad, because I had already made that part of my plans for my next visit, as I too had avoided the downtown area due to greatly exaggerated rumors of dangerous conditions. I really enjoyed the atmosphere. Sad to think that the atmosphere might be there but playable games have gone south (literally)...
On the SD game, $25 to $100 did stop the game on me.
But that is hand to next hand. It is sometimes possible
to fly under the radar. Like 2 units off the top to 6 units
next hand, or down to one unit, no problem -- what's the spread?
The strict limit is hand-to-hand three times max.
But it's too much of a pain in the butt. I don't play there
anymore.
disinvited me from their premises. All together it was probably
the slimmiest-feeling backoff I've had. The one classy encounter
was with an older Pit Critter, before the barring. He was probably
from the old management.
It doesn't sound quite as bad as I first thought. If I want to spread 1-4 or better and start off after the shuffle with 2 units, it would seem that going to 4 the next hand, and 6-8 the next hand might fly?
Of course one would almost have to be playing heads-up, assuming we are talking SD RO6...
When you went from 25 to 100, what did they say, if you can answer here? Did they back you off, or just say "sorry, max is $75 since your previous bet was $25?
I've met a few dealers that would _really_ be challenged by that "memory" requirement, round-to-round... :)
I believe you are 100% correct. Also, this idea of massive spreads with no cover promoted by certain people on this board has speeded up the process as well. Just my opinion (but I'm pretty sure I'm right)
AB
It was only a matter of time. How many times have we discussed the death of blackjack on internet forums? Is it dead? Maybe not yet, but it's demise seems to be a long and lingering one. Are there many of us who recognize the difference between now and twenty or thirty years ago?
