bcounting

question about backcounting. ive tried to employ this strategy several times, but am always very paranoid about it. It seems incredibly easy to be detected with this method. they say you should stand between tables, be inconspicuous, look at a craps table, or whatnot. but even still, i feel like a sitting duck just waiting to be had. especially if you stand beside a couple of negative tables, not jumping in. then you find a positive one, jump in, but leave in a couple minutes for the bathroom. it seems too easy to be detected. is this really a viable method? and w/o it, why even play a shoe game with just straight counting? not worthwhile. also, in backcounting, how can you determine your spread. Ex.- Say, I jump in at +2 or +3 and I'm betting $50. then i spread up to a max bet of $100 at +5. Would this be a 1-2 spread or a 1-10, since Id bet $10 as my minimum bet if I weren't backcounting. I would assume it'd be considered a 1-10 spread, but just would like confirmation.

By backcounting you do not need a spread. You may wish to use a standard flat bet. Let's say you jump in at TC+2 with two green. You can continue to bet $50 as long as the TC is +2 or better. You can also bet three green at TC+3, four at 4.

Relax. You will be sending "I'm a counter" signals if you feel like you do. Try to get into a different frame of mind and think like "I'm a superstitious player" jumping in and out with your lucky feelings. Keep your eyes open, watch the Pboss and critters. It's all a part of the game.

I used to feel the same way when backcounting, but after alot of backcounting with minimal to no heat, I am more relaxed now. If possible, it is nice to spend most of the time looking at a craps table, roulette table, TV, talking on your cell phone (or at least looking like you are), checking your watch and act like you are waiting for a friend, etc. However, there are usually a number of spectators standing around looking directly at the tables. As long as you flat bet, or use a small spread and keep your sessions short, you can probably stare right at the table and have the pit think that you are a system player of some sort.

If anyone asks why you are standing around (e.g. one of the players may ask if you would like to play), you can always try spewing some "system" BS like "I am waiting until there have been 62% bust hands in the last 13 hands. I read a book that said that system never loses."

when you play shoes do you get heat for BC with a 1-4 spread?of course that question is for solo players?it seems playing black w/o a second person counting the shoe down is tough.any comments??i wouldnt be concerned about getting heat betting green on the shoe game.i would think there is none at the good strip properties.

Perhaps im a bit too paranoid about backcounting. Statistically, it seems THE way to go for shoe games. I just hope it doesnt cause me to wear out my welcome too soon. We shall see!

There are times in my local casinos that the place is so full the only place you can get a seat is at min $100 tables. Usually in the high roller pit there is no mid shoe entry, but when the place is jumping and full of people bused in, they raise the table limits in the main casino to suck them dry quicker. This is perfect for a back counter, or tracker, especially one that is able to get other players to let them split and double with them in +3% hands or better. Plenty of people out there that freak when they have to split or double and have $200 riding.

I wonder if they treat the media any differant.....
If you were writing a book on play would they suspect a counter???

I always watch!! most of the pit knows me where I go!! always smile!!talk to the dealers.... nod and wave to the security folks....

hard for them to run you off if you are in a good mood and having a great time with other players and the dealers etc.....

but then I have stood back when the count was so tilted or when the run at craps was a real hot shooter and just stood there and watched with my cash in my pocket!!

there are many "good places to play!!"