Barred from playing BJ at Casino Windsor

I was recently barred from playing BJ at Casino Windsor and I was so upset because I don't even care for that place. I like to play low limit craps there and once in a while play BJ for serious money. The wins were noticeable and it wasn't too long before a "management decision" was made regarding my play on BJ. I still like to go there to play craps and use up all of my comps, which by the way, they have yet to realize that I'm not entitled to them since theoretically they did not have an

i know the game in the high stakes can be very good at times

did you play the 6d in the high stakes?

did you use any cover or just go at them with guns ablazin?

how exactly did they handle you?

I think this is the same guy who had the casino secret police following him around town awhile back.

They evil casinos were beaming thought control rays into all his neighbor's heads, making them think he was some kind of kook.

is this in the archives?

What kind of posting is that SOT HOG? Are you trying to be funny? I demand an apology. You have me confused with someone else. I have never been paranoid about "casnio police" following me around and putting thoughts into peoples heads. Even if I felt I was being watched, I would not post it on bj21.com because casino personnel have access to this site and it wouldn't be too long before they figure out that every time they watch my play, I go running to my computer and post a message about it.

I am a serious counter with hundreds of hours of practice, and even more live casino play. I don't need a second rate counter to post bullsh&#@t about me without any proof, but merely because you "think" I was the one who made such a rediculous post.

Just so we are clear, I want an apology from you immediately. Find someone else to slander on this message board. Don't mess with me.

James

The story sounded familar -- Are you sure you didn't have casino security following you around town giving you are hard time?

If I have you confused with someone else, I am sorry. Did you display such good restraint and temper when the casino messed with you?

"I am a serious counter with hundreds of hours of practice, and even more live casino play."

Some advice: Maybe your hours of practice should be greater than your hours of live casino play, and you won't have problems of getting barred.

Sotsog wrote:

Some advice: Maybe your hours of practice should be greater than your hours of live casino play, and you won't have problems of getting barred.

I suppose that if your hours of live play are 0, you won't get barred. I don't really see the point of this.

If you are measuring your time in hundreds of hours instead of thousands, then at that stage, practice should be greater than live play.

Unless you like to learn expensive lessons.

First, to SOTSOG, after reading my post, I realize that I didn't show any restraint there. So I will show some restraint now.

I played at Casino Windsor for over seven years without getting barred. I think that is quite an accomplishment. I don't need any more practice, and I now know where I went wrong.

After Sept. 11, 2001, business levels in Windsor dropped beyond anyone's expectations. Prior to that date, CW was a high-volume casino with more staff and more tables. Pit personnel were so busy rating players and tracking chips that they seldom watched their tables closely. At times, one supervisor was watching 5 busy tables, while one pit manager was watching two busy pits. Neither had time to scrutinize my play (I got this information one time when I waited nearly 20 minutes for a comp. The pit bosses apologized and explained why they took so long to print up a comp).

But post 9/11, things changed. Pit bosses were running over to rate me with a mere $100 buy-in, something that was unheard of in the first six years of business. They must have been watching BJ tables more closely. My mistake was not adjusting my play accordingly. For example, smaller bet spreads or better cover, since I already had cover that was sufficient for all those years of play.

Back to SOTSOG, you said I need more practice to not get caught? I shall forward your advice to one Thomas Hyland, because he's been barred so many times (even in Windsor), that he too must practice more. And Kenny Uston must have been a lousy counter without any cover because he too had been barred, beat-up and followed around Vegas like a common criminal. Face it, the best of us can get barred. Is there anyone out there who lasted seven years while regularly playing at a local casino and earned over $100,000 (Canadian)? If so, would you suggest they spend more time practicing their cover? That was some apology, SOTSOG, but you did not have to make another sublte insult in your apology. It seems that others on this message board would agree.

James

I wanted top follow up on Bond Trader's comment:

I really don't see how being barred from a casino means you need more practice.

I don't think more practice at home is going to do a lot to reduce your risk of being barred. The skills which may aid in this: recognizing heat and being to deflect it, are those things which are difficult to replicate at home. It is true that if you have internalized count and playing, you can free up more brainpower to concentrate on other things.

I don't agree with SOTSOG on the number of hours required to practice. As a general rule. I believe that most players spend too much time in practicing and not enough in playing.

By the time your done practicing, your favorite casino may have gone to all CSM games. Or external events (like Sept 11) may bring about adverse
changes,

In the current case, I know a little bit about the casino. While they have been since 1994, there was only a brief window of playability there. When the Detroit began to open, the games loosened up. They converted some tables from 8 decks to 6 decks, and also improved the rules by going to RSA. Crowd conditions improved. But perhaps as a result of Sept 11, things have tightened up.

I did play in the HS room, and I used the usual cover. Since the cat is out of the bag, so to speak, I'll give you a little bit more info on my cover.

I happen to look like I belong to an ethnic group that is abundant at Casino Windsor. I won't say which group, but if you ever go there and take a good look around, you'll see what I'm talking about. Most guys who belong to this group are fairly wealthy, loud and colorful people. One thing they are never accused of is counting cards, since 90% of them play win-progression, regardless of the count. They figure that if they won the last hand, they now have a better chance of winning the next hand, so they bet more. Of course, I'm stereotyping, since not all players who belong to this ethnic group bet this way, nor do they all pound the table for good cards, etc. I notice that when I play with these guys, I could pass for one of their cousins. And some of these guys lose up to $100 k/year. They are not likely to be accused of counting cards. So I played along and it worked for the time being.

As for how I was handled, they were straightforward, but they never actually said that they thought I was counting, nor did they try to build up my ego by saying "you're too good for us on BJ". As I was coloring up my chips, I said something like "have I done something wrong", to which he replied "no, it's a management decision". And I left it at that.

James

i do agree they can get an attitude there

they brought the heat down on me there at one time

i just decided to leave, but not before they took a picture of me, i guess the overhead cameras were just not good enough

i once heard a rumor about an advantage bj school in that area being taught, of course, by an advantage player

i never heard anymore about it and was wondering if you ever heard about that rumor and if indeed there ever was such an instituition of higher learning that existed

CP,

I don't know of any training school in Windsor, although a few people have approached me and asked if I could teach, to which I said no.

What have you heard about this school? Do they advertise or is it underground?

James

it was once spoken about to me by an advantage player who may have been the founder

it was a while ago though