"Backed Off" at Mirage, Question...

A friend and I were recently spending some time at the Mir-age. After about 2 hours of play we were asked away from the table by two Pit Bosses. They each took one of us aside.

The one I spoke with told me that I was no longer welcome to play blackjack at the Mir-age. I asked why and she repeated herself. I then asked if it would be okay if I came back to see a show. She said yes.

The second pit boss told me friend that if he ever stepped foot in any of their casinos again he would be arrested for trespassing.

Question: Did they think he was counting and backed me off just for being with him? If not, why would they back me off yet ban him? Also, even though she said Mirage, does this apply to all the MGM/Mirage Casinos?

This is is the first such encounter I've had and any help would be most appreciated.

Thanks for your time,

Dex

The Mirage in my opinion does not tolerate counters at all. If they sniff an advantage player, they will back you off. I've been backed off 3 times at the Mirage. I'm talking 5-10 years ago. The last time I was backed off, I waited over a year before playing again at the Mirage, and they still backed me off and mentioned to me that they remembered me from last time. So they are very saavy in maintaining their database of undesirables aka counters.

I've never been 86'd like your friend has, but I'm guessing that they mistakenly assumed him to be someone else that was very "undesirable."

As long as you're not giving your MGM/Mirage card at other sister casinos, you will be ok. I've played Bellagio and other places without incident, but I didn't give my players card either.

Your friend had a previous problem there and you got caught in the crossfire.

I was backed off at The Mirage and that translated into being instantly 86'd at ALL of their stores.

I have been trespassed several times elsewhere.

At Mirage I was betting chunky green for more than an hour and the (swing shift) Shift Manager gave me "the tap" and informed me that I was being "held to a flat bet" ,and asked me if I knew what that meant.

...why when being backed off or 86ed, it's best just to leave quickly and quietly, and to engage in no conversation.

When you asked the PC if you could come back to see a show, you gave her the opportunity to say no, you had to stay off the property completely. All she had said at that point was no more blackjack.

If when the other PC 86ed your friend, there was an ambiguity in the properties covered, asking for clarification would just set him up for being accused of trespass in the future at another MGM Mirage property.

If you might not like the answer, don't ask the question!

Did you use your card or did someone just recognize you, or was it facial recognition software?

I've been stared at at the Mirage,but never tapped on the shoulder. I agree that they do not tolerate counters due to their behavior alone. Just do this: count faster,don't take a long time making playing decisions,and don't stay over 4 hours. I have taken them for a ride and Mirage is definitely beatable.

Before this incident I had given my card at almost every MGM/Mirage location. I haven't played a single hand at any of their spots since.

Do you think if some time has passed, say 6 months to a year, it would be wise to give it a shot at a casino other than Mirage?

I would assume they've made a note on my players card account and would therefore refrain from using one.

Thanks again.

Dex

You could not be trespassed at multiple properties for one instance at a particular property. I thought that was a law.

Although I am quite certain they can make a note that you cannot play BJ in your players account.

You are thoroughly wrong.

IN FACT when 86'd or trespassed at any MGM or Harrah's store they normally remember to tell you that you are banished from all of their properties nation-wide.

You are thoroughly wrong.

IN FACT when 86'd or trespassed at any MGM or Harrah's store they normally remember to tell you that you are banished from all of their properties nation-wide.

A tresspass does not legally hold across state lines. They can tell you whatever they want, and they may not let you play if you present the players card under which you were tresspassed.

Flash, you should stop giving advice on subjects on which you have little knowledge.