any beatable SD/DD left in LV?

Obviously I don't want 6:5...

There was one SD table at Four Queens and El Cortez. Are they still around?

How about DD with DOA and DAS? Any of those around?

Thanks - I might drive there this weekend...

There are 2D games all over town...most are no longer s17 though...the standard game is h17 das with 60% pen or so.

Most if not all pros stick to 8 deck games with good rules and good conditions. Attacking the games you describe requires a huge bankroll and an unbelievable act to have any chance at all.

Most if not all pros stick to 8 deck games with good rules and good conditions. Attacking the games you describe requires a huge bankroll and an unbelievable act to have any chance at all.

This is entirely untrue. DD games can be very profitable and tend to require smaller bankrolls than do 8D games. This is a function of the greater EV for most DD games compared to 8D games.

While a good act is desirable for 2D games, it is nearly as desirable for games with more decks. I would actually avoid 8D games altogether unless you are able to bankcount or have a spotter.

When you do find a seemingly good 2D game (as posted earlier, CBJN is an excellent resource), make sure that it pays 3:2 for a natural.

I hope that helps.
David Spence

It is nearly impossible to find single and double decks with anything but 6/5 or T & 11 and lousy penetration. Remember, the worse the rules/penetration, the larger must be your spread to beat the game. So by playing under uneviable conditions, you increase both the heat and bankroll risk factors.
My point is that the best EV is primarily found in shoe games; plus they are more conducive to a player's longevity-the biggest factors for a pro's profitable game assessment. And back-counting is not even a consideration.
I know all about simulations but simulations do not reflect real life experience. And of course I won't convince you otherwise.

I don't think there's a clear cut answer to the question, "Which is better, 6D or 2D?" What is clear, however, is that plenty of excellent 2D games exist in Las Vegas, and they often have better EVs and lower bankroll requirements than their 6D brethren. And you're right--2D generally does have more heat than 6D, but not to the point that it's unplayable.

8D has few advantages over 6D and is very hard to beat for any significant win rates without backcounting. Sorry for any digression from the poster's original question...the answer is a resounding, "Yes, there are still excellent 2D games in Las Vegas."

DD is now offer at Majestic Star near Chicagoland. I did not get a chance to check out rules , because I was at a good 6-dk table!

Also I am chking my pw.

There are dozens of 2D games in Las Vegas without 6/5 or restricted doubling. It takes a little looking around to find good penetration.

The double deck game at Maj. Star, unless it has changed in the last two months is miserable. It's S17; D10,11 only; No DAS; No Resplits; No Splitting of Aces; No Mid-Deck Entry and strict 50 to 55% pen. And Oh -- the players flock to it.

SURE AND JUST AS SOON AS YOU SPREAD 1-4 YOU WILL BE FLAT BET WITHIN 15 MINUTES AND YOU ARE OUT OF BUSINESS.

but it depends on your stakes. The games exist. I don't disagree with you that shoes are the way to go. Many recreational players will choose to play pitch games with lousy SCORES and lots of cover rather than the less exciting shoe games which require a more uncomfortable stragtegy.

Double deck with h17 and s17 rules, double any two cards, and DAS exist all over Las Vegas with varying degrees of penetration from 50% o 70% or even more.

bp

I can name at least a half dozen places, but I won't, that allow 1-8 or even 1-10 spreads in black at their double deck and don't blink an eyelid. Most of the rest will not blink for a 2x50 to 2x200 to 2x25 type gambit spread in green. I know of no place that will backoff anyone for spreading 1-4 at double deck unless the player happens to be winning. (maybe some of the coast properties).

I did get a chance to play it a couple of times. I did win!, But not much, it was a real grind. Tho a 10$ min. is good and U can vary bets. Tho they r real slow at dealing it. Their only one table. The game is faster when they do deal tho. The rest of the low limit tables r 8-dks tho.

I will probaly go back too Resorts for their 6-dks and their good comps. I also like their food better. Tho Maj Star has a better view and walking area tho. also some history.